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Tivo's explanation on Mini pricing

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by magnus, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. Mar 30, 2013 #41 of 111
    lessd

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    You are correct, if TiVo had priced the unit at $250 flat there would almost no complaining about the price, if it did what you wanted and could afford the $250 you would purchase, but TiVo gave people the option of a monthly plan so the first month cost was $5.95 not $150, you saved $144 in that first month. People think that $5.95 is for some type of service, it is not, it somewhat like a car lease, saving you an upfront cost.
     
  2. Mar 30, 2013 #42 of 111
    atmuscarella

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    Unless someone doesn't know about the lifetime option when I hear people complaining about service fees - I hear a person who is just complaining about the price and doesn't want to do it directly, which is fine if someone thinks something cost to much it is just as valid opinion as the person who doesn't think it costs to much.
     
  3. Mar 30, 2013 #43 of 111
    Austin Bike

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    Having 20+ years of marketing for technology companies, I doing point to this as misleading people on purpose, I view it as "yeah, we thought we could do that and it turned out that we couldn't." It is probably a case of them finding out that they could not deliver on what they thought.

    As for their pricing, the real issue in my mind is that the mini competes with buying additional tivos, so when they look at how to price it they have to take into consideration the cannibalization of their own product lines. I am sure there were plenty of meetings where they looked at revenue models and realized that some portion of the revenue stream would be interrupted with a mini that did not have a revenue annuity attached to it.

    You have to look at primary competition - cable operator delivered DVR options - if you want to see how they priced. Sure, roku, apple tv, htpc, etc have different pricing models, but they do not have the market share/momentum to be considered.

    Without knowing the actual #'s, I would think that 80%+ of the competitive pressure in the market is cable DVRs, so you set your pricing model to go against that.
     
  4. Mar 30, 2013 #44 of 111
    magnus

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    But the whole point is that they could do it but they don't want to because it would not be a good experience for the 2 tuner box.
     
  5. Mar 30, 2013 #45 of 111
    magnus

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    Because for $250 the value proposition is just not there yet. When it is and I can have 4 tuner OTA box then I might have a different opinion.
     
  6. Mar 30, 2013 #46 of 111
    Bigg

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    If TiVo was smart, they would have taken on Roku a few years ago, opened up app development, and then slid their way into homes that way, with an upgrade available to work with their DVRs as an extender. But instead they have very, very slooooooowly gone top-down.
     
  7. Mar 30, 2013 #47 of 111
    atmuscarella

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    There are lots of competitors in the IP/Internet streaming game. I have currently have 7 different devices with some IP/Internet streaming features attached to my home theater setup.
    1. Roku (have 2 of them)
    2. Google TV via Logitech Revue
    3. A netgear steaming device
    4. A western digital steaming device
    5. 3 HD TIVos
    6. A Panasonic blu-ray player
    7. A HTPC
    For IP/Internet content my Premiere gets used the most and then the HTPC.

    We have no way of knowing if it would have made any financial sense for TiVo to have put out a limited function device like a Roku or not, but I certainly think it is more important for TiVo to focus on their core business.

    Frankly we are at a point where so many new devices have IP/Internet streaming added in I think most people will not see a need for a stand alone device like a Roku (or any of the others that I have).
     
  8. Mar 30, 2013 #48 of 111
    teklock

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    I cannot agree with you more. Pretty much every new TV has all these features now.

    I want TiVo to focus on what they do, DVR's.
     
  9. Mar 30, 2013 #49 of 111
    steve614

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    This is status quo for TiVo. Whatever happened to making the S3 OLED work with just one cable card? :p
     
  10. Mar 31, 2013 #50 of 111
    magnus

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    The same thing that happened with them making the Mini work with a 2 tuner Premiere.
     
  11. Mar 31, 2013 #51 of 111
    Bigg

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    I think it would have been a good way for TiVo to put themselves out there and get more people onto their system to upsell DVRs to. However, they would have had to have gotten on their game and updated them quickly, not like their DVRs where there have been features that have taken years to get implemented. If TiVo had any decently competition in the DVR market, they would move an order of magnitude faster than they do.

    Yeah, I think Roku's model is dying. It doesn't do anything unique. Apple TV is unique as it works with iTunes and Airplay. XBOX is unique as it plays XBOX games, but Roku doesn't do anything else that other boxes don't. It's only saving grace might be how horrible some of the BD players are at streaming stuff.

    I have:

    BD Player
    Smart TV
    Roku
    Apple TV
    XBOX
    Wii
    TiVo Premiere
    HTPC

    The Wii U is coming soon, and I can also connect laptops in via a front HDMI port.
     
  12. Mar 31, 2013 #52 of 111
    nebulink

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    This was me. I was totally going to juump back on the Tivo Wagon once the Mini was going to be released. However, I put the breaks on once I heard dynamic tuner alocation, Netflix and Amazon Prime wasn't supported.

    I had Tivo about 10yrs ago and it was great but I wanted more so I went the HTPC route. I have been very happy with the HTPC option but would rather not support a PC anymore.
     
  13. Apr 10, 2013 #53 of 111
    bmgoodman

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    Let's make this a little game:

    Probably the same thing that happened with
    *completing the HD menus, or
    *supporting KidZone in the HD menus, or
    *[enter your favorite half-baked Tivo "feature"]

    ;)
     
  14. Apr 11, 2013 #54 of 111
    farmermac

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    Hehe. TiVo is like that friend that's really nice but you can't help give him shi* for his obvious shortcomings. You still love him but at one point you realize he's got obvious flaws that will never get fixed
     
  15. Apr 11, 2013 #55 of 111
    shwru980r

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    The mini seems to be modeled after a largely unsuccessful product. Most of the WMC extenders have been discontinued.

    All that are left are the Xbox 360 and the Ceton Echo and the xbox 360's primary function isn't as an extender.

    Tivo is clearly trying to minimize customers replacing a two tuner premiere with a mini.
     
  16. Apr 11, 2013 #56 of 111
    jmpage2

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    TiVo Mini is modeled after the many many MSO "whole home" boxes. Those are current products that are selling well for the MSOs.
     
  17. Apr 11, 2013 #57 of 111
    Loach

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    Not to mention the satellite Joey and Genie extenders.
     
  18. Apr 11, 2013 #58 of 111
    sbiller

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    Agreed. TiVo has sold the TiVo Preview to cable MSOs since November 2011. Their operator partners like the Mini better because it has MoCA built-in and eliminates a $50 CableCARD from the deployment per box.

    Just about every provider is moving to an IP distribution model like the Mini although currently the only IP solutions I'm aware of are Arris, DirecTV and Dish.
     
  19. Apr 11, 2013 #59 of 111
    atmuscarella

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    I think people need to stop trying to look at the Mini as a stand alone product, which it is not. Looking at it that way completely missing what TiVo is selling. Which is a whole home digital cable DVR system. I think that is what TiVo is trying to compete against.

    My personal opinion is that TiVo is ahead of other whole home digital cable DVR systems but really needs to improve the software and get new DVR hardware out the door to stay there.
     
  20. Apr 12, 2013 #60 of 111
    Arcady

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    I'm still happy with my 6.95 a month Premiere. (or Premier if you can't actually read the name on the box of the thing)

    The mini is a useless turd to me at this point.
     

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