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TiVoPony, What about ESATA, in an interview you said ESATA was coming....

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by MediaLivingRoom, Sep 17, 2006.

  1. Sep 17, 2006 #1 of 105
    MediaLivingRoom

    MediaLivingRoom New Member

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    Pony,

    What about ESATA, in an interview you said ESATA was coming....http://www.gearlive.com/videocast/gearlivetivoseries3.mp4

    Can you give us a time frame on this feature and tell us what happened? Was there a software/programming issue? or was it related to CableLabs??

    Can you please tell us?

    :)
     
  2. Sep 17, 2006 #2 of 105
    NJ Webel

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    You're Soooo bad! :D
     
  3. Sep 17, 2006 #3 of 105
    Bierboy

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    It's coming in November.

    BTW, link is bad.
     
  4. Sep 17, 2006 #4 of 105
    Canoehead

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    Will it be arriving on the same truck as my S3?
     
  5. Sep 17, 2006 #5 of 105
    Bierboy

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    It will if you get your S3 in November.
     
  6. Sep 17, 2006 #6 of 105
    SCSIRAID

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    Some details on the implementation would also be nice.... Like... 1) will recordings be distributed between the two drives or will a single show be confined to a single drive. 2) Can you remove a drive and then replace it at a late date and be able to view the content. 3) Can you build a 'library' of shows on multiple drives and switch back and forth. 4) if an external drive fails do you lose everything (even the stuff on the good drive).

    Thanks...
     
  7. Sep 17, 2006 #7 of 105
    jfh3

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    My expectations:

    Yes, Maybe, No, No.
     
  8. Sep 17, 2006 #8 of 105
    Gregor

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    From what Pony said at the TC-Con in Vegas, if I remember correctly

    1. No way to tell.
    2. No. You cannot remove a drive and then replace it. It's "married" to the unit, I believe
    3. No
    4. Did not address this question.

    In addition I believe this is an extension of the MFS file system Tivo has developed, not a normal Linux file system. MFS gets very unhappy when the disks on 2 disk systems are divorced, and I would think this would also be the case.
     
  9. Sep 17, 2006 #9 of 105
    TiVotion

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    Second half! :)

    BTW, is that video link not supposed to work? If so, it's working as intended.
     
  10. Sep 17, 2006 #10 of 105
    alee

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    This is pretty poor if that is indeed the case.

    If you look at the S3 hardware, we have a MTBF of X hours. If the hardware fails, you go through your normal warranty channels to get the issues addressed to your satisfaction, or if you are out of warranty you go out and buy a new TiVo, rebuild it, etc.

    With an ESATA disk, the consumer can buy a second piece of hardware which has MTBF of Y, and can fail independently of the S3 hardware.

    I can be 8 months into an S3 ownership, and 1 month into an ESATA disk ownership and if the external disk goes, it would be really poor design if my S3 also becomes unusable.

    Hardware will always fail; however, the failure of an accessory should not render the entire system useless. Here's to hoping TiVo manages the relationship between the external disk and the parent hardware properly.
     
  11. Sep 17, 2006 #11 of 105
    Gregor

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    Note that these are my thoughts, I don't speak for Tivo.

    This scenario is nothing new, it happens now with two drive Tivos, perhaps Tivo is working on this problem...

    edited to clarify.
     
  12. Sep 17, 2006 #12 of 105
    alee

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    Noted... I won't shoot the messenger. :)

    I'm still dreaming of the day when TiVos become NAS or SAN aware, and all you buy from TiVo is a smart "head". All your shows are centrally stored and served from your storage array, and heads can punt recording jobs to each other if they're busy recording something else.

    (in my dreams)
    User requests to record a show
    Living room head: I'm busy, tuner 1 and tuner 2 are recording
    Network broadcast... who's not doing anything?
    Bedroom head responds... I'm not recording anything right now
    Living room head passes job to bedroom head
    Show gets stored to centralized storage to be accessed from either head
     
  13. Sep 17, 2006 #13 of 105
    Gregor

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    I would love to see cooperative scheduling, a "thin" client at the TV and a big media storehouse in the basement.

    However, media companies hate the idea of consumers storing large quantities of their content in a private cache.
     
  14. Sep 17, 2006 #14 of 105
    Canoehead

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    Well at this rate maybe I will. Sure as hell don't know if I'll be getting it this week or when - CSR can't tell, should get an email in the next few days....
     
  15. Sep 18, 2006 #15 of 105
    smak

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    I am going to pre-complain about the price of this right now!!! :D

    -smak-
     
  16. Sep 18, 2006 #16 of 105
    drusoicy

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    comicsacrifice

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    bump. whats the deal with e-sata yo?
     
  18. Sep 18, 2006 #18 of 105
    herfmonster

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    I am just curious about the drive configurations in the S2 as well as the S3.
    If an S2 has two drives how are they configured? Are they a RAID0 or are they JBOD or separate drives?
    Can an S3 have two drives internally and if so are they RAID0 or JBODor separate drives?
    When the ESATA connection is enabled will an external drive configure itself as RAID0, JBOD or as another hard drive?
    Lastly, do you think it will be possible to attatch an external RAID5 enclosure with say perhaps five 500GB SATA drives within the enclosure? (That would give you a really cool 2Terrabyte hot swapable backup with parity.)
     
  19. Sep 19, 2006 #19 of 105
    boywaja

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    I cant imagine its a cable labs issue. My SA 8300 provided by Cox can use a SATA external hard drive. Hopefully they just have a few flaws to work out.
     
  20. Sep 19, 2006 #20 of 105
    vman41

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    The SA8300 doesn't use a cablecard.
     

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