I have a grandfathered tivo (KDB 09-07-04) that has been confirmed by tech support to be eligible. Tonight I called Tivo to purchase a Roamio. They refused to sell me one. They said I will have to wait a few weeks until they have a "standalone" available without any subscription on it. They also said this "standalone" will cost more than the $200 but not sure how much. The bottom line is Tivo is going to charge me more for the hardware to transfer lifetime that was grandfathered by in 1999. Not a very good way to treat an old customer.