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Tivo, what are you doing, No HDMI-CEC?????

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Nightpoison, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks! TCF Club

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    Who are you responding to here? Who's "holding out" for OTA?


    My 2-tuner Premiere as well as the base Roamio support HD antenna (OTA) input. So support for that isn't nearly as dead as the S3 line is. I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
     
  2. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    What happens if the TV is off and you want to listen to some music? Or you switch from watching TV to music?

    I still ike using my Unievrsal harmony remote. Since for most devices I can point it in any direct(even at the floor behind the couch) and the devices will respond to it.

    Hopefully the TiVo Roamios continue the great IR reception that the S3 and S4 boxes had.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I tried using CEC on my TV and receiver and it was sort of weird. I don't know if one is not up to spec, but sometimes the TV and receiver would get out of sync so while the TV said the volume was at 45 the receiver would say 20. I'd have to turn it all the way down to the minimum to get them back in sync. It was also sort of laggy. I ended up turning it off.
     
  4. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Glitchy and laggy, sounds perfect for Tivo.
     
  5. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    LOL
     
  6. mattack

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    Wait, you actually ever have your TV on anything BUT the Tivo input?

    (OK, that's actually a joke, since I'm being a hypocrite. I *do* switch my TV's inputs to go to my PS3 -- occasionally.. and mostly I leave it on the input for my Toshiba XS32 -- and use *its* input switcher to change between my two tivos.. It's much faster than switching HDMI, plus I record a decent amount TO the XS32 to watch faster-than-realtime.)
     
  7. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I bought a Smart TV specifically to avoid having to switch inputs and turn on another device. If TiVo adds all the same apps it has then I'll never even have to switch to the Smart TV UI. :)
     
  8. cram501

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    TivoPony stated a long time ago that it wasn't a hardware limitation. They just considered the customer base too small and the risk involved to high to devote development resources to it.


    Post #15: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=402682
     
  9. Jonathan_S

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    I've got it set where the AV receiver monitor's the TV, not the other way around.

    So if the TV's off and I want to listen to music I turn the receiver on and switch to the approriate input; the TV remains off.

    Also, if for some reason I wanted to use only the TV's speakers I could turn off the receiver and the TV would remain on.


    Now, if the TV was on and I want to turn it off and listen to music then receiver would shut off and I'd have to turn it back on before switching inputs. If switching directly from TV to music was a very frequent usage pattern of mine it might get annoying; but over 90% of the time if I'm turning on the receiver it's because I'm using the TV (whether for TiVo, games, or Blu rays)

    (Of course how I used CEC was configurable, and it's use at all was optional. If I had a univeral remote that I was confortable with I'd just disabled CEC and it'd act like any other 'dumb' set of components. But as it is my blu ray player (PS3) doesn't work by default with universal remotes, that would limit it's usefulness - so I just use the TiVo slide remote most of the time and the receiver remote if I need to swap inputs. People with more components, or differnt usage patterns would likely want a different setup; but mine works well for me)
     
  10. Dan203

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    OK that sounds to me like they might have to update the PROM in the field. They have never done that, even at the behest of their own security, because it's such a risky deployment. If it fails then the whole box is bricked. Their typical double partition fail safe would not work for a PROM update. So while it could technically be fixed via "software" it wasn't really a viable option.
     
  11. cram501

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    From the discussion back then (and I haven't gone through the thread again and it's been a few years), it just sounded like a pita to update the software for that specific hardware and so it wasn't worth the effort. It didn't sound to me like it was a prom update although they never indicated what the change would be. It was just that it introduced risk that, in their view, offered very little benefit for a device that had been discontinued. I have no idea if those drivers are in the prom or on disk OS but it would seem to me to be pretty limiting to put it in the prom.

    As an owner of an S3, I would have liked it to have been added. It was never a big deal and it was just one of those features that had floated out there for a while but never got implemented. In Tivos defense, they had never stated that the multi-stream cards would be added to the original S3.
     
  12. jadziedzic

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    The cost for the second CableCARD for a device in Comcast land *should* be something like $1.50; you should be able to get a retroactive credit for that billing mistake.
     
  13. Fofer

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    Wow. How many years have you held on? S3 owners (like me, who paid $800 for that box) got screwed with that. TiVo dropped the ball on this one, which forced affected, early-adopter customers to pay more $ per month, and that just sucks.

    I'm pretty sure my TWC fee was $2.50 for the same. Even only in principle, it pissed me off.
     
  14. Dan203

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    I had two S3 units with 2 CCs each in service until last summer. I think Charter charges $2-$3/each
     
  15. SnakeEyes

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    I still want a Pony
     
  16. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    He quit a few years ago.
     
  17. CrispyCritter

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    I still have 2 S-cards in a Tivo-HD. Comcast is paying me $2.50 per card for them.
     
  18. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I have two working S3s, each with two M-cards in them. Comcast Houston no longer has S cards, so I have two Ms in each. And for some reason, not only do they not charge me, I get a credit each month of $2.50 for each cc. I actually have six cable cards on my account, so I get this huge credit (of course, that's against my $200 Comcast overall bill:rolleyes:). I've never understood why, and am afraid to ask for fear it's a mistake:)
     
  19. Fofer

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    And I'm thinking Comcast probably charges a higher amount if you rent their own cable box, so in a sense, they're "paying you even more" for bringing your own (TiVo) box.
     
  20. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    This horse is not only dead, it's already turned to dust.
     

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