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Tivo vs. Hopper

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by garyflet, Sep 4, 2013.

  1. Oct 7, 2013 #21 of 119
    B Smooth

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    The joey's can be a bit buggy and slow(sometimes). Playing videos off your network will be hit or miss. The UI is uneven. Some areas are fine. Some look 20 years old. I am not a fan of how it deals with conflicts or your ability to manage "season passes". We just moved to DISH from DirectTV. I would say DTV picture quality is a little better. When there is rain fade, it seems like the joey will lock up when I want to switch from live TV to a recording. I don't like having to buy additional boxes to view netflix, hulu, or HD w/DD movies.

    We had Tivo many years ago and I left for DTV looking for greener pastures. When Dish is up, I'll be coming back, hoping the Roamio gets me closer to where I want to be. All three have their strengths and weaknesses.

    There is sticker shock on tivo hardware, but you will get quite a bit back when you sell.
     
  2. Oct 7, 2013 #22 of 119
    mattack

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    Did they fix the bug/feature in the hopper yet that you can't save shows with 'padding'?

    In other words, Thursday NBC prime time shows need at least one minute of end padding. So if I decide to not have the equivalent of SPs for them, can I the next day 'pull out' the shows and save them WITH a minute of end padding on each?

    bjdraw previously told me that they did consider this a bug, but AFAIK, it hasn't actually been fixed yet. I'm not actually going to switch to Dish anytime soon (if I could download shows to a computer and own the equipment, I would at the very least strongly consider switching BECAUSE of primetime anytime).
     
  3. Oct 8, 2013 #23 of 119
    aaronwt

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    I've needed zero padding here for the NBC shows on Thursday I've watched. With no padding the recordings I've watched have ended at the same time as the shows ends. Just as it fades to black, after the credits, the recording ends. And the beginning picks up the Production logo of the previous show.
     
  4. Oct 8, 2013 #24 of 119
    mattack

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    No way.. for *years* I've had to add a minute of padding to NBC Thursday shows, or else they're cut off.. and so have zillions of others here... Maybe this year it's different.. not sure. (I may try 'backup' recordings without padding to see..)
     
  5. Oct 9, 2013 #25 of 119
    atmuscarella

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    It really depends on where you live and how you get your TV. I am OTA only and with my Rochester NY OTA channels the only one that I have had any issue with is FOX, all the rest including Thursday NBC shows all record fine without any padding (excluding nights affected by live events like football) and this year I don't need any padding on FOX either.
     
  6. Oct 9, 2013 #26 of 119
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  7. Oct 9, 2013 #27 of 119
    atmuscarella

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    :eek: not sure if I was typing to fast or if my auto spell check got me.
     
  8. Oct 9, 2013 #28 of 119
    aaronwt

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    I did notice a big difference when I was at my parents house recently watching a Redskins football game. I had checked out the game from my Slingbox connected to a TiVo Mini(I have FiOS). And when checking through that, I was still ahead of what was being shown at my parents house on Comcast. I was very surprised how far behind their broadcast on Comcast was since watching over Slingbox remotely already adds a good ten seconds of delay.

    So I could see how a recording on NBC at my parents house would cut the ending off on the same shows I had recorded on FiOS since it is being broadcast on their Comcast feed way behind what is being broadcast on my FiOS feed. And if you are talking about two TiVos, then they should both also have the same time. So there is no question that their recordings would get cut off.
     
  9. Oct 9, 2013 #29 of 119
    Series3Sub

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    Actually it is smart enough to take any PTAT recording and put it in the users partition. Also, one can also set an individual timer and the system still will use PTAT to record it (if PTAT is enabled) and put it in the My Recordings section. It is all completely automated. Also, if you find a show in PTAT for which you had no timers, if you select the show from the PTAT you are given options to save just that one episode or set a recurring timers (Season Pass) for that show, with just one button. Extremely automated and easy.

    Further, anytime (24/7) including OUTSIDE of PTAT, if one Hopper or Joey is tuned to a local station, any other users who also tune to a local station the Hopper/Joey will still use ONLY that same one tuner. This is true for 2 or more recordings for locals at the same time WITHOUT PTAT being enabled. All 4 of the big nets in any combination can record using the same ONE tuner. This is the case 24/7 without PTAT being enabled.

    Also, the AutoHop is really neat. The big nets keep getting rulings against them in their lawsuit. A read of the 9th Circuits upholding a lower court ruling denying preliminary injunction makes very clear the big nets have NO HOPE of winning. They knew this going in and their lawyers must be saying, "Told you so." The lawsuits have absolutely no leverage.
     
  10. Oct 9, 2013 #30 of 119
    Series3Sub

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    No. It can record all 4 big nets on ONE tuner even outside of PTAT and even if PTAT is NOT enabled.

    Further, a USB OTA demod is available, and one can received OTA and all data is integrated into the EPG and one can set a recording just as one would for a SAT channel.
     
  11. Oct 9, 2013 #31 of 119
    Series3Sub

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    To the OP: It really is a matter if you want OTA, Cable, or Sat services. Both the TiVo Roamio line and the Hopper are excellent DVR's with nearly identical features, and both have their annoying fees. You can't go wrong with either service or systems. The only downside for TiVo is the stupid CableCards. This is not TiVo's fault but the cable companies fault. Some people are doing OK with Cable Card, but others are having living nightmares. Also, there is the additional expense of the CC and the cable cos. still finding way to INCREASE the monthly fees for CableCard.

    For you, look at what each has to offer as far as channels, and, of course, crunch the numbers. No matter which you choose, it should be a good experience.
     
  12. Oct 9, 2013 #32 of 119
    Series3Sub

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    You also need to account for MPEG4 HD streams, the use of 8PSK to allow more throughput and Turbo Coding for even more throughput, and the hardware in sat boxes that exploit software that allows for high quality HD PQ at the users end while using less bandwidth and requiring less data to sent to the home.
     
  13. Apr 20, 2014 #33 of 119
    ncted

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    Rather than starting a new thread on this subject, I decided to resurrect this one. I currently have Dish Network and the original Hopper with 1 Joey. I like it fine, but the price is excessive given we also pay for access to Amazon Prime, Netflix, and iTunes. The interface can be a little sluggish at times, especially since they added Apps and "You Might Also Like". Dish PQ could be better -- it is between TWC and DirecTV in my experience. The Hopper has more space than I ever expect to need. It never gets more than 40% full, even with full seasons of shows and lots of movies we plan to watch. AutoHop is nice, but isn't a must-have.

    I dislike the bundling of channels that cable/satellite requires. I am paying for way more than I will ever watch. If I were to just buy the shows we watch on iTunes, we would still pay less than paying for Dish every month, and it is the cheapest pay TV option I have right now. If I get an OTA DVR and factor in Amazon and Netflix, the price goes down even more. I don't need cable to get sports because we just don't watch them, and I can wait for shows that come on HBO/Showtime/Starz to come out on iTunes or Blu-Ray.

    My question is this: From a purely functional standpoint, how does the base Roamio as an OTA DVR compare to the Hopper? What I am looking for is an easy to use, reliable, DVR which is not a pain to deal with, like the Premier was when I tried it out. I would add a Mini for sure and maybe a Stream later on to take some shows with us on the iPad when we travel. I'd be interested in how the mini compares to the Joey as well.

    Thanks,
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  14. Apr 20, 2014 #34 of 119
    telemark

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    Were you saying the Premier was easy to use, reliable or a pain to deal with?
     
  15. Apr 20, 2014 #35 of 119
    steve614

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    Sounds like he's saying the Premiere was a pain to deal with.

    I'd say in general, the Roamio experience is nothing like what the Premiere was.
    However, I might hold off on getting one until TiVo sorts out the mess they created with the last update. :p
     
  16. Apr 20, 2014 #36 of 119
    tarheelblue32

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    I have had no problems with the last software update.
     
  17. Apr 21, 2014 #37 of 119
    atmuscarella

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    I am guessing you will not find very many people that have actually had and used a Dish Hopper DVR and a Base Roamio DVR for OTA.

    I do have a Roamio I use for OTA only and it is easy to use and reliable however I can not compare it to a Hopper as I have never seen one.

    Just some random thoughts -
    1. With the Roamio when used with OTA "reliability" is mostly affected by how well it receives your OTA signals. If you have no reception issues it will be very reliable.
    2. Easy of use is in the eyes of the beholder. It may take you some time to get used to how TiVo's UI works compared to the hopper's as they are different, but after you go through the learning curve I think you will find it is a good UI and easy to use.
     
  18. Apr 21, 2014 #38 of 119
    ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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    The Premier was a pain for me due to reception issues, probably muti-path related since the TivoHD I had worked just fine with OTA, and buggy software, resulting is unpredictable reboots. The UI was fine, if slow in HD mode. I had DirecTivos for years and loved them, so I am familiar with using Tivos.
     
  19. Apr 21, 2014 #39 of 119
    ncted

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    Yes, that is my conundrum. I will probably try out the Roamio while I still have the Hopper, so I can compare, but I was hoping to come across someone who has at least some familiarity with both.

    -Ted
     
  20. Apr 21, 2014 #40 of 119
    Bigg

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    The big part of the decision is DISH vs. Cable. If you don't watch sports, and don't watch much other TV, then you might be able to cut the cord, in which case the discussion is about OTA DVRs including Roamio, and Hopper is irrelevant. If you're going to have a standard "cable" subscription, then the big discussion is DISH/Hopper vs. Cable/TiVo, and to be fair, you have to include DirecTV/Genie. That can depend a lot on the market. DISH doesn't even bother to compete anywhere in the NYC market or CT, due to lack of SNY and YES, so I'm a little biased against them (even though as a Red Sox fan... but I need my SNY for basketball). They are the cheapest of all the major MSOs, but you get what you pay for...
     

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