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TiVo transcoder and IP-based set top box coming 'by the end of*summer'

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jfalkingham, Feb 23, 2012.

  1. Feb 24, 2012 #21 of 549
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Maybe so, but it would be easy to bring to retail customers also.
     
  2. Feb 24, 2012 #22 of 549
    Thunderclap

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    Add me to the list. I hope I can stream to a laptop as well. Though at $169 it seems a bit high, considering you can buy a Roku for $70 or so these days, and it does a lot more than just transcode.
     
  3. Feb 24, 2012 #23 of 549
    bradleys

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    I am hoping for under $150 - but that pricepoint doesn't scare me off.

    With their wireless N adapter running $70, I suppose I am a little more realistic in my estimates. Also, TiVo doesn't sell anywhere near the volume that Roku does - so they simply don't have the luxury of such tight margins.
     
  4. Feb 24, 2012 #24 of 549
    rainwater

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    True, although this box is very much different internals as it's main purpose is transcoding video. This would make the hardware cost more than a Roku that is designed mostly for just streaming content and not transcoding. My guess is it would be more similar to a Slingbox Pro-HD as for the type of internals that it would require (of course without the digital tuners).
     
  5. Feb 24, 2012 #25 of 549
    Dan203

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    I might have to buy both of these. I already have a device that streams TiVo to another room via wireless HDMI, but it's a bit clumsy and flaky, so a Preview type box would be a better solution. (I don't need another tuner, so a full blown Premiere is overkill) And the iPad thing is cool because I bought Slingbox app for my iPad only to discover that my Slingbox is broken and wont stream for more then a few minutes without cutting out. (capacitor problem) I don't want to give sling any more money so I'd rather buy the TiVo product to fill that need instead.

    I wonder if the side-loading capability of the transcoder will be added to TiVo Desktop? I think people who own these boxes would like to use them to also capture H.264 versions of their TiVo files on their PCs as well, rather then having to expend CPU cycles to transcode after the transfer using TiVo Desktop Plus.

    Dan
     
  6. Feb 24, 2012 #26 of 549
    MichaelK

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    someplace (gizmolovers or zatz's?) says the box will use DLNA standard stuff.

    I am not really up on that- but i think you could just use windows media center or some other media player to download DLNA content- no?

    if so there's no reason to even use tivo desktop- it's basically built into every pc already....
     
  7. Feb 24, 2012 #27 of 549
    davezatz

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    Not I. But MZ did cover something by a product guy saying they are moving to DLNA. Not sure when, how, or where they intend to implement it. But the obvious use case of home media to a TiVo. Protected DLNA-esque transport doesn't really help us beyond TiVo created endpoints.

    http://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/01/...tor-product-marketing-talks-about-the-future/


    I dunno... I could see TiVo Desktop going away entirely. Or at least dying of atrophy once the Transcoder is released.

    Yeah, it's more specialized and probably powerful hardware to do what it's doing with four simultaneous streams. Also, TiVo won't move as many boxes as Roku - so smaller production runs would drive up costs too.
     
  8. Feb 24, 2012 #28 of 549
    bradleys

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    It would be cool if I could easily transcode / side load movies from my server to the iPad using Something like Pytivo. Yes - there are other ways, but everything else is mutistep and takes a lot of time and often fails.

    This would be an elegant solution.
     
  9. Feb 24, 2012 #29 of 549
    mattack

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    Wait, Tivo Desktop is just the way to utilize Tivo To Go, right? (Being on a Mac, since I refuse to buy Toast, I just use kmttg.)

    Basically, while having this box to be able to do the transcoding is good, I still would want the ability to download the un-modified recordings optionally. (e.g. when I keep musical performances of TV shows.)

    I don't have any Premieres, nor an iPad, but something like this is compelling. I actually like the transcoding part more than the stream-within-the-house part.

    A wish that will never happen though -- a way to have subtitles on the transcoded video -- or even open captions (i.e. burned in the recording).. e.g. to use an iPad while on a treadmill. I already use captions most of the time, and very very often record to my other recorder so I can watch faster than realtime.. and leave captions on then.. So end up with open captions.
     
  10. Feb 25, 2012 #30 of 549
    rainwater

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    I doubt they will be removing the ability to use TiVoToGo to transfer original recordings especially since few people will buy this transcoding box initially. With the real-time transcoding, they could actually update TiVo Desktop so it never has to do the transcoding on the PC if you have one of these new boxes which would be nice.
     
  11. Feb 25, 2012 #31 of 549
    djkid4

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    What exactly are these products for?
     
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    nrc

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    Inconceivable!
     
  14. Feb 25, 2012 #34 of 549
    megazone

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    Yeah, I know, consumers never blame the vendor. ;-)
     
  15. Feb 25, 2012 #35 of 549
    jfalkingham

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    I'm not scared off by a $169 price point. If this was doing the dirty work to allow my programs from tivo to ipad wirelessly loaded to take on the road, its worth it. Allow it to stream to another tv live and i dont need the expense of another cable card.

    I've used plex through my jailbroken apple tv2 to access TiVo recordings, but it was flaky at best. Couple this unit with comcast ondemand and i have no reason to go back to DIRECTV or Fios.
     
  16. Feb 27, 2012 #36 of 549
    Dan203

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    MP4 files support a basic text format for captions. Converting from the 608/708 format commonly used for TV to the text format used for MP4 files is not that hard and easily something they could build into this box. In fact Apple devices might even support 608/708 captions right in the MP4 file. At least I think I read that somewhere. So they might not even need to convert the captions for playback on an iDevice.

    Dan
     
  17. Feb 27, 2012 #37 of 549
    mattack

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    Though I am totally guessing that this converter will convert to 'regular video' files to go on the iPad, and play with the built in player.. Not some custom TiVo video player.. right?

    Is there caption support on the iPad player? I don't know.
     
  18. Feb 28, 2012 #38 of 549
    Dan203

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    They'll likely be a standard .mp4 or .m4v file on the iPad. However having to grab them off of the iPad if you want them on a PC is a round about way of doing it.

    Dan
     
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    lrhorer

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    How can they get away with this without breaking CableLabs requirements?
     
  20. Feb 28, 2012 #40 of 549
    Dan203

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    Side loading is no different then saving the file to a PC using TiVoToGo. I assume it will have the same restrictions too, meaning you wont be able to side load any shows which are flagged as copy once.

    Dan
     

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