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TiVo transcoder and IP-based set top box coming 'by the end of*summer'

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jfalkingham, Feb 23, 2012.

  1. Fofer

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    That's great. Just downloaded the update to work better with my Premiere. I see lots of functionality and UI improvements. However for THD/S3 users, the kicker for streaming support will be the ability to access (and control) the Now Playing list... And I don't think that support is baked into the old platform.

    All that said, of anything TiVo is doing today, their iPad app (at least for Premiere owners) seems to be "their" best work. They update it frequently, it works well and looks great. ( I put "their" in quotes because my hunch (and I've read) that this work was subcontracted to some third party development house.)


    It seems to be on a prioritized development cycle whereas the TiVO OS itself is lagging behind, remains HDUI incomplete. As it stands now, if I want the most aesthetically pleasing UI experience, I won't look at TiVo's menus at all, and I'd just use the iPad.


    I just wish the "timeline scrubber" worked a bit differently. The time stamp should update as you scroll it, not only when you release your finger press. If I want to get to minute 34 it should be easier than just guessing and hoping for the best, then fast forwarding and rewinding.
     
  2. GatorBlues

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    Does anyone know when this is expected to be released?
     
  3. Dan203

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    No date has been announced, but they said something about summer in the conference call. TiVo has released a lot of new products in late August/Early September, so that's probably about right for this. Although sooner would be better. :)

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  4. innocentfreak

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    I would definitely love an updated desktop app. It is a shame that TiVo hasn't bothered with this.
     
  5. May 3, 2012 #185 of 549
    jmpage2

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    Any news on this? Seems to be awfully quiet considering that this would be a pretty big launch for TiVo.
     
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    innocentfreak

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    My guess is they are waiting until after this update comes out. I would think we would see them by August.
     
  7. May 3, 2012 #187 of 549
    Dan203

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    I hope they come out soon. Having a way to stream from my TiVo to my iPad is something I desperately need. (my Slingbox is broken :()

    Dan
     
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    jmpage2

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    I don't believe that TiVo has given any indication of being able to watch live TV on your iPad from the TiVo at a location other than your local wifi network. It's also possible that the only option with their new iPad app might be side-loading of content for watching at a later time.
     
  9. May 3, 2012 #189 of 549
    Fofer

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    That would be a shame (although yes, I have heard the same.) If the box transcodes on the fly, I'm thinking there will be some way to get streaming to work outside our network, via port-forwarding, VPN, or something. It might not be a supported config, and there might be some buffering issues on networks with slower upstreams... but there will be some way. I guess we'll see.
     
  10. May 3, 2012 #190 of 549
    bradleys

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    They have clearly stated (and demonstrated) that this product will stream within your home network. They also indicated that the ability to stream externally has not be designed out of the system.

    Will we ever see external streaming?

    I think it is unlikely... The problem is not TiVo's ability to do it, it is the variety and uncontrolled quality of individual network connections. If they implement it - you will expect it to work. TiVo cannot guarantee that it will work in all instances, so it would end up being an implementation nightmare.

    And while I would love to see it - I would rather not read all the whining that some guy couldn't stream from his TiVo @ 30 thousand feet on some transcontinental flight. :thumbsdown:
     
  11. May 3, 2012 #191 of 549
    Dan203

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    I'm pretty sure they demoed it streaming live to the iPad at CES. I don't actually care if it streams outside the home, I just need it inside. My wife wouldn't let me put a TV in the bedroom because it's too bright and loud and disturbs her. When I got my iPad I bought the Slingplayer app and used it a few times by just putting my iPad on my night stand. She said it was fine. However my Slingbox started acting up a few weeks later and now it wont hold a connection for more then a few minutes. (common problem, something about capacitors) I've been watching podcasts when going to be instead, but a lot of nights I end up falling asleep on the couch watching what I really want. And sleeping on the couch is terrible for my neck.

    Dan
     
  12. May 3, 2012 #192 of 549
    Fofer

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    Right. But if (A) they haven't specifically designed it "out of the system" (ie: they are not actively preventing it from working) and (B) I have sufficient upstream from my home and (C) I expect no support whatsoever from TiVo on such matters... then... I'd expect it to see it work, and I'll appreciate it.

    I don't care so much about it being offered as a supported function for all TiVo customers. I just care about it working for me, so long as I bring the right ingredients and know-how to the table.
     
  13. May 3, 2012 #193 of 549
    Dan203

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    Yeah the Slingbox uses a very complex system that dynamically adjusts the resolution and bitrate based on available bandwidth. I don't think TiVo wants to get into that. They just want to hard code a bitrate/resolution and have it just work. Just like the TiVo to TiVo streaming except with a transcode in the middle.

    Although they may be forced to add some user settable options, maybe via a http UI, since different iOS/Android devices have different playback capabilities. (i.e. iPad 1 only does 720p, iPad 2/3 do 1080p) Edit: Or maybe make the app itself dynamically alert the transcoder box as to which settings to use based on the platform it's running on. In fact, on second thought, this is probably the better option. :)

    Dan
     
  14. May 4, 2012 #194 of 549
    morac

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    My guess is TiVo will simply go with the lowest common denominator and simply stream at 720p or possibly lower.

    Note also that while the iPad 2 can playback 1080p video, it doesn't benefit from it since the iPad 2 screen is only 720p. So only the new iPad would benefit from 1080p streaming.
     
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    Dan203

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    I considered that but older iPhones only support 640x480, and some Android devices have really odd resolution requirements. I think they're going to have to build some flexibility into the thing or the lowest common denominator is going to look pretty bad on the new iPad.

    Dan
     
  16. May 4, 2012 #196 of 549
    aaronwt

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    What content is it going to be streaming? If it's only recorded broadcast content then why would it be streaming in 1080P? Broadcast content is 1080i or lower.
     
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    WhiskeyTango

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    Has anything changed or is this still intended to be released only for cable companies?
     
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    Fofer

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    It'll be sold in retail too, we've been told.
     
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    jmpage2

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    Note that I specifically gave the likely unsupported use case of being able to stream to the iPad from a non home network.

    While I don't expect TiVo to support this, I also do expect users will expect it and whine when it turns out to not be possible.
     

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