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Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by aimeedmiked, Sep 25, 2012.
So is there a way to stream using hdmi out if its jailbroken?
I don't have a tivo yet, but will get one if I can do what I'm hoping to do.
I want to get a Tivo and Tivo stream so I can copy the shows off the dvr to an iPad. Then I want to bring the iPad to my vacation place which does not have internet and somehow watch the shows on my tv.
It sounds like the last part is the challenge as it does not have air play. Are there any other methods of getting an iPad to get the shows to a tv? Could DLNA be used? Can the files sent to the ipad/ipod be read by other applications or only Tivo's application?
I don't pay subscription fees for either of my TiVos. I forgot that most people pay monthly but the cost of the TiVo hardware + lifetime service is what I meant by the option of buying a TiVo being more expensive.
Cost of hardware + lifetime is what I always think of as being the actual cost of a TiVo.
I believe so. I don't have any jailbroken devices myself, but I believe windracer and fofer have both applied hacks to their jailbroken devices that allow HDMI to function.
Another thing I just remembered while reading this thread is that I sometimes copy files onto my laptop using TiVo desktop and play them on another TV via HDMI. It was another reason why the TiVo mini isn't really of interest to me personally because the TV I do it on already has the cable company set top box that is compulsory for my cable service attached to it that can be used for live TV.
Doing it via laptop instead of jailbroken iPad/iPhone and Stream seems preferable to me not least because you get zero quality loss and if you've got a laptop already then you don't need a Stream.
If you do that a lot a Mini might be something to consider. By using a Mini instead of the cable company's box you'd likely eliminate the box fee, as well as any outlet fee, plus you'd have full pause/rewind capabilities when watching live TV and full access to everything recorded on the host TiVo. Plus it uses the same familiar remote and it wouldn't need to wait for the download to finish. You can stream a recording while the program is still being recorded and it plays instantly with full FF capabilities.
To be honest I'll probably buy the Mini anyway but the cable box isn't costing me anything. I checked and even if I return it, it wouldn't reduce my bill.
I own a Stream and I love it. The Stream is as much of a 'killer app' to me as the Series 2 TiVo I had years ago. I just meant that for watching on a TV the laptop still rules because it has HDMI without any jailbreaking and has perfect quality (no extra compression).
Get kmttg and the vlcstreamer app for the iPad. It lets you transcode yor video and download or stream them to your iPad. It supports airplay.
Tivo playback through another Tivo? No thanks. One paid box is enough and I don't think one can network an unsubscribed box to play the content of another paid box.
Unless you are saying Tivo Stream can playback through any extra Tivo box as well as the App? I don't understand.
But unless I'm mistaken - none of these allow you to stream the content directly from the Tivo to somewhere else.
There's also iTivo, and Tivo Transfer for getting copies of content off of Tivo and onto computer. Then just forget all the other stuff and drop them into iTunes. They'll stream to iOS devices and boxes with iTunes on them - and also Apple TV (which is how we do it these days)....
I pointed out that it is more expensive but to think it is less desirable to use a TiVo to provide TiVo functionality than any other solution would be ridiculous. The logic of that is to not buy a TiVo in the first place.
In the past I experimented with using software to pull TiVo shows and convert them before sharing via iTunes but it was such a second rate way of doing things that I stopped bothering. I used to like the automatic stripping of adverts you can do but the whole thing was way too janky for my taste.
When the Stream came out I thought it was perfect. It doesn't stream to non-iOS devices but I don't care about that. Bottom line: I don't mind paying for things to be done properly.
Do check out iTivo - it's free (so far). It has an experimental com-skip but I've not tried it - what it WILL do however is download and import into iTunes in one simple button click. Set your destination directory and you're good to go! Tons of different resolutions to choose from including H.264 original.
Can you play your Tivo programs on Apple TV?
Answer = Yes and No.
I currently have a Tivo Premiere XL which has a dual tuner, (the ability to watch a TV program live and record a different channel at the same time). This was the latest and greatest at the time I purchased it. I went with Tivo because of a couple of reasons. I knew that they had the capability for me to record shows remotely with my smartphone. If I forgot to record something while I was away from home
I could still program my Tivo to record without having to make a special trip back home. The second reason was the return on investment that I would get from purchasing Tivo rather than rent a DVR from my cable TV provider. For most of us it runs around 2.5 years. If you purchase a Tivo upfront with a lifetime subscription you make your money back after 2.5 years of having it and then dont have to pay the cable company for the rest of your life.
With that said Tivo has come out with new advances in their offerings. Tivo Stream allows you to stream your recorded shows, (or live shows that will start a recording in order to stream to your iPhone or iPad) while you are on your local network, (meaning you must be at home in order to stream a program). On top of being able to stream to your device you can also download the program right to your iPhone or iPad so that you can take your Apple device and watch the program away from home.
Tivo has also come out with the Tivo Mini This is basically works like a Slingbox which allows you to extend your original full blown Tivo to another TV using your original Tivo as the engine. The Mini then allows you to have another Tivo on another TV without making the full investment of another Tivo DVR box with another subscription. (There is a subscription charge for the Mini, but it is considerably less than a regular subscription). I would also like to add that the Tivo Mini requires that you have a Tivo DVR with 4 tuners or by having the new Romio version of Tivo. It will use 1 tuner while you are using the Mini on another TV.
Tivo also has the Slide Remote which has a keyboard built into the remote when you slide the top half of the remote from the bottom half. This allows you to have the full QWERTY keyboard when typing in searches for TV programs etc. The Slide Remote also has Bluetooth in it which is very nice if your Tivo box is hidden behind a cabinet, etc. You no longer need the line of site to your Tivo box to control it. A USB receiver is plugged into the back of the Tivo box to allow Bluetooth communication between your remote and the box. Very nice and seems to be more accurate with the button pushes verses the IR version that it came with.
In my home configuration I have other things that I must introduce you to. I have Powerline Ethernet Adaptors which allow my electrical wiring in my house to act as a network. You can look up these on Amazon. I have one that is receiving the internet from my wireless router and then plugs into my wall outlet. Then I can plug in another box anywhere in the house and then it will have an Ethernet jack coming out if it, (which essentially gives me a fast Ethernet connection versus wireless). This is important because of what will be showing you later on. Bottom line wired connections if done correctly will always be faster than a wireless connection.
I also have made the investment in a Slingbox 350. I wanted the capability to watch sporting events while away from the house. Slingbox lets you stream your home TV to your smartphone. You can even change the channels and play recorded TV! Its pretty cool if you are looking to always have your TV available to you no matter where you are.
OK so now lets get into how do you get your Tivo to play on your Apple TV.
First things first
Out of the box
.Tivo will not play on your Apple TV directly! Hopefully I havent pissed you off by reading this far - only to be disappointed. You ask why? I for sure cant tell you because I do not work for Tivo. But I have some theories that Im sure you will agree with once you read on. Tivo is in the business for selling the boxes and subscriptions. Thats how they make their money. They also make money by advertising on your Tivo when you are searching for programs or while you are watching shows. But buttom line
.they are in the business to make money like any other business. If they allowed you to mirror your iPad they couldnt sell you the Mini with another subscription. Money, money, money.
So you might be asking yourself, But I dont understand? I have my iPad or iPhone and can mirror my device to my Apple TV and then whatever is on my screen of my iPad is on my Apple TV
why wont it work? Tivo BLOCKS the ability in the Tivo app to mirror your TV show to your Apple TV. I have seen posts that you can get around this if you jailbreak your Apple device
out of the box
Tivo will not play on your Apple TV directly! Even if you download the program to your Apple device and try to mirror it it wont mirror to your Apple TV because the Tivo app blocks it.
How do you do it then?
I use my Slingbox to watch my Tivo on my Apple TV. I use my iPhone and use the Tivo app to start up a TV show that I recorded earlier. Then on my iPad I start up the Slingbox app. Once the show is playing on my Slingbox app I then can mirror the show to my Apple TV.
Are there issues with this? Yes. I will be the first to tell you that when you are using the Slingbox it is meant to be watched on a mobile device or computer. Because of this there is compression. Compression = loss of quality in picture and sound. So yes it works
but the picture and sound doesnt look like Im sitting in front of my original TV with the Tivo hooked up to it. It is tolerable and would tell you that its fine in my opinion. If I could get a Tivo Mini I would
but I cant because I have the Premiere XL with a lifetime subscription that is not compatible with the Mini. I would be fine with cannibalizing my 2nd tuner for the Mini but Tivo doesnt allow me to make that choice. I would also add that I am Slingboxing my Tivo to a 60 LG Smart TV and the picture from the Slingbox does not take up the full screen, (there are black bars on the left and right hand side of the screen
like letterbox format
but on the sides).
I will also say that with Slingbox I have purchased a WDTV Live and have it up in my bedroom. This also has the Slingbox app built in so it works like a Tivo Mini again
but is not as slick. Remember I cant get a Mini for my box so I am using work arounds.
I hope this helps
I love my Tivo and would love to spend more with them
.but just cant get past purchasing another full box and lifetime subscription.
if you are reading these posts and would like to help me out
Im all ears. Id be a great BETA tester for you.