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Tivo Stream Outside of Home Network?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by rspike, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks! TCF Club

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    Well then, I'm thinking the only way to know the real truth here is to find someone who has a DTV GenieGo and ask them. Surely someone in the forum has experience with one...
     
  2. JosephB

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    Time Warner Cable is completely independent of Time Warner Inc., though the CCI byte screwup has been going on longer than that. I suspect they simply don't care.
     
  3. Dan203

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    I found some forum posts talking about it. I didn't see anything about specific channel restrictions. However I did find one post where the guy mentioned that you aren't allowed to FF when using it OOH. I wonder if that's how they appease the content providers by not allowing people to skip ads when OOH? But it was just one post, so that guy could have just been wrong.
     
  4. SullyND

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    How do you propose to make a Mini that works with MRV instead of MRS?
     
  5. Fofer

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    Point taken, but this distinction between "streaming within the home" and "streaming to my own authorized iPad outside the home" is just stupid. Whoever made this decision should be made aware -- it's inanity like that which ENCOURAGES folks to throw up their hands and just pirate what they want to watch, since it's easier.
     
  6. Dan203

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    Agreed. All this DRM stuff sucks. It hurts our business as well. (we can't support TW customers either) But I'm still not sure if TiVo is to blame. With Cable Labs basically holding the keys to TiVo's entire business we can't really blame them for not wanting to rock the boat. There was a time when TiVo had a major competitor, ReplayTV, who got really creative with the user centric features and they ended up getting sued out of business. So I can understand why TiVo would choose to tread lightly.

    For those of us not on TW the feature still has use. Back in April I went on a business trip. I pre-downloaded a bunch of shows to my iPad using my Stream so I had stuff to watch in the hotel. However one thing I missed was the ability to watch The Daily Show every night before I went to bed. Those episodes were recorded on my TiVo at home but I had no way to watch them. This year I'll be able to stream or download them from the hotel. I'm looking forward to being able to do that.
     
  7. JosephB

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    And, another thing, it's not just TiVo that gets bitten by this. PCI cable tuner cards are limited heavily by their CableLabs certification. There are a lot of novel uses for PC TV tuners that basically will never happen because of the driver lockdown on those tuners.
     
  8. Fofer

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    Fortunately Plex also has a Daily Show channel so I can stream that from anywhere, for free. No commercials. And no upstream limit to worry about.
     
  9. Dan203

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    Yep all those CCI flagged shows are locked down in the WTV format too. You can only play them in MCE on the PC that recorded them. And MCE is the only PC DVr software that can even record them, and it's been discontinued so in a few years there wont be any PC based DVRs at all which hurts our business as well.
     
  10. JosephB

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    To be perfectly honest, if I could record ALL cablecard channels with a PCI card, I'd probably build a mythtv box than buy a TiVo, but having been in on the IR blaster DVR train at the beginning, I'm never going back. Plus, it's not like I dislike my TiVo :)
     
  11. dlfl

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    On the other hand, is it ethical to tout loudly about OOH and hide the fact that it will be severely crippled for about 25% of users in a FAQ?
    As I stated in an earlier post Tivo users of TWC have been complaining to TWC for years. Not sure what your definition of "misusing" is but it has been established clearly that they have a legal right to copy protect as they do. As far as making a case with the FCC, well you may be right in principle. Personally, rather than wait months (or forever) for that paper tiger to do something, I will opt to just use SlingBox on my Tivo HD rather than spend many more hundreds of $$ on a Roamio.
     
  12. slowbiscuit

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    The FCC has no orders about whether to use copy-control on anything above limited basic, so TWC is free to be as fascist as they are. TWC has repeatedly said that it is their right to do so, which again leaves the ball in Tivo's court for OOH streaming. And they dropped it, as they always do.
     
  13. Fofer

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    So frustrating. Yes, we know, copy-control should (and does) prevent us from downloading recordings, in or out of home. But STREAMING was a brilliant solution for that, and it works great. Now they should let it work out of the home too. For many of their customers, that's the WHOLE POINT!
     
  14. dlfl

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    I agree except "fascist" is inappropriate. That would mean the government controls industry, whereas in this case government is a paper tiger. However that may be fortunate overall. I'd hate to see cable TV and internet video actually controlled by the government -- that would be worse than TWC!
     
  15. Dan203

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    I took a survey once and they asked about a possible feature where they could move protected content to a device like an iPad but after it was moved it would not be accessible on the TiVo and there would be no way to move it back. The question was whether or not I would be interested in such a feature.

    I think the next loophole in the whole MRV scheme is going to be a move feature. Technically the copy once flag says you can't make another copy of a show, but it doesn't technically prevent moving that show. As long as the show is never accessible on two different devices at once then technically you still only have one copy. If they can get that working then maybe TWCs over zealous use of the CCI byte wont matter as much.
     
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    They don't seem to mind it over in the UK. They still get quality programming, and with no commercials.
     
  17. JosephB

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    That's perfectly reasonable, and while streaming is a major feature being touted by TiVo for the Roamio, it's not the only one, and TiVo and Slingbox aren't 100% competitors. I got a four tuner Roamio because I don't need 6 tuners and, like you, I want to be able to stream 100% of my content so I am using my older slingbox, and will likely upgrade to a slingbox 350 soon. More or less the best of both worlds for about the same price as getting a 6 tuner Roamio.
     
  18. unitron

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    Government has enough control that most people have only one cable company from which they can get service at their address.

    And I think the Greenlight customers in Wilson, NC are pretty happy that government got involved when TWC couldn't be bothered.
     
  19. Dan203

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    Don't forget there are some advantages to a Romaio/Stream compared to a SlingBox. First off control is more direct, so skipping commercial is a LOT easier via the Stream. A Slingbox typically has at least a few seconds delay which makes control a bit of a challenge. The other advantage is that the Roamio/Stream does not take over the output of the TiVo. So you can have someone at home watching the TiVo and still watch something remotely without effecting them in any way. With a Slingbox you're mirroring the output of the TiVo so if you want to watch something you have to be sure no one is at home using the TiVo. (some people have dedicated a Mini to a Slingbox to get around this issue)
     
  20. Dan203

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    Yeah most cable companies have a government sanctioned monopoly. I guess Dish and DirecTV are options everywhere, but they're not really options for TiVo users. That's why I really wish that AllVid standard would have taken off. It would have allowed the provider to be completely transparent to the users equipment. You could have used the same TiVo for cable, Dish, DirecTV, even UVerse. Which is precisely why the providers fought so hard against it. They don't want you to have choices. They want to lock you into their service any way they can.
     

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