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Tivo Stream Outside of Home Network?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by rspike, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Oct 25, 2013 #81 of 178
    ahwman

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    This affecters ALL channels with CCI. Almost makes OHS worthless for people like myself with most channels being marked CCI.
     
  2. Oct 25, 2013 #82 of 178
    bradleys

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    currently it seems as though you can stream live TV with the CCI set, but not recorded. Place Shifting vs Time Shifting...

    Not sure if this is a bug or by design.
     
  3. Oct 25, 2013 #83 of 178
    ahwman

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    I noticed this as well, what sense could this possibly make?
     
  4. Oct 25, 2013 #84 of 178
    David Platt

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    All FiOS isn't created equal-- here, FiOS locks down everything except locals.
     
  5. Oct 25, 2013 #85 of 178
    bradleys

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    When people discuss FIOS generally they are talking about Verizon Communications, I assume you have Frontier Communications and yes, they have set different rules.
     
  6. Oct 25, 2013 #86 of 178
    bradleys

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    Like I said, I am not sure if this is a bug or by design.

    If it is by design, TiVo may have interpreted (or been provided guidance) the CCI guidlnes in a way that will not allow them to stream "time shifted" / protected content. However, streaming "real time" / protected content may have been determined to be allowed.

    As I have said in the past, I would really love to see a legal reading on this. And I do think that should be in the public domain. TiVo didn't make this decision because they wanted too, they made this decision because the felt it was mandated.

    If it is mandated, then a legal interpretation of the public laws should be available.
     
  7. Oct 25, 2013 #87 of 178
    sirfergy

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    I have an iPhone 4, and after about two minutes my stream just stops. I've tried multiple times and I can only get about two minutes in. Has anyone else seen this?
     
  8. Oct 25, 2013 #88 of 178
    Dan203

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    My guess is bug. TiVo uses sort of a macro for live TV in the app. They probably don't have a way to verify the CCI byte of the channel before allowing you to start the stream and once it's going they don't seem to have a way to abort, as evidenced by the whole start streaming on wifi but continue on LTE trick. I'm betting this will get "fixed" soon.
     
  9. Oct 26, 2013 #89 of 178
    seanm57

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    What makes you think that makes it end of December? They didn't say Christmas 2013. They said holiday. The holiday season starts at thanksgiving.

    Their twitter statement said 2 to 3 weeks from now.
     
  10. Oct 26, 2013 #90 of 178
    Worf

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    The HDFury series of boxes convert HDMI+HDCP to component/RGB.

    They aren't cheap though - you're looking at $300 or so for just the converter.

    But doesn't the Roamio already have component outputs? Why not just use that and use the passthrough connection?
     
  11. Oct 26, 2013 #91 of 178
    moyekj

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    Plus & Pro models do. The base only has a composite output which requires a breakout cable.
     
  12. Oct 26, 2013 #92 of 178
    wmcbrine

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    Curious that it's limited to Pro/Plus for now, and not the standalone Stream. I wonder if that's a marketing decision, or if there's a real technical reason?

    Yeah, "Fios" without qualifier = Verizon Fios. Frontier Fios (or the other spinoff; I forget its name) = Faux-ios. ;)
     
  13. Oct 26, 2013 #93 of 178
    bradleys

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    As I understand it they are releasing the software for the standalone stream as a part of the Premiere fall software release.
     
  14. Oct 26, 2013 #94 of 178
    David Platt

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    Hey now. Except for the copy protection and the better customer service, our FiOS is identical to Verizon's. :D
     
  15. Oct 27, 2013 #95 of 178
    jcthorne

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    The Roamio base unit has a composite output. If you are looking for OOH streaming, the 480 lines resolution that you get from the composite out may be about all your upstream connection plus internet and local wifi wherever you are will support anyway. Its a pretty rare occurace that true HD makes it out reliably and continuously unless you have a very high end internet connection with lots of upstream bandwidth.

    I use a stream 350 with the composite out put. I had intended to go the HDfury route but decided to give this a try before spending more money. Its pretty darn good for streaming to a tablet or phone. You may also decide its good enough.
     
  16. Oct 27, 2013 #96 of 178
    davezatz

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    I don't think it's that rare... have one of the lower FiOS plans 50 down, 25 up. And while you may not be bothered on an iPhone screen, you're likely to notice/miss the difference between 480i and 480p+ on larger displays (like tablets and big phones). And what we've learned is that TiVo has a much narrower band of adaptive bitrate to work with, suggesting Sling will do better under lower and higher bandwidth.
     
  17. Oct 27, 2013 #97 of 178
    dlfl

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    OK not "that rare", which could mean 5% or 10%. Most of us don't have such high upload bandwidth options as FIOS offers. I guess it's typical of those who "have" to start thinking they are the mainstream case. I remember Verizon stopping FIOS build outs. Are there any fiber-into-the-home build outs going on now, or planned, other than the Google cities?
     
  18. Oct 27, 2013 #98 of 178
    StevesWeb

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  19. Oct 27, 2013 #99 of 178
    davezatz

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    Lower end Xfinity Internet is 20/4 which is sufficient for better-than-480i 100% of the time. Mid tier Xfinity is 50/10 which has more than enough overhead for HD full time. The only folks who are really impacted would be those on DSL or unwilling to pay a bit more for better bandwidth. And the beauty of Sling and even TiVo is the adaptive bitrate - you'll get better quality when the upload and download conditions allow it.

    For point of reference, at it's peak streaming capabilities TiVo Stream/Roamio only uses 2.2Megabit. Efficient codecs and high compression at play. I'd advise avoiding composite outputs.
     
  20. jimmypowder

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    I'm glad I did not buy the Roamio plus for it's streaming capabilities . I have 120 Mbps download / 20 Mbps upload and I get freezing at the house .

    I can't get streaming to work outside my house because it said I had not setup streaming when in fact I did . So right now and as can be seen by the Apple reviews of the Tivo app, it's not a reliable streamer .
     

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