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Tivo Stream Outside of Home Network?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by rspike, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Sep 5, 2013 #21 of 178
    Einselen

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    Thanks Fofer! Bummer for you as the only CCI flag I have seen (FiOS) was on HBO. I think all my other recordings don't have that, but then again maybe I have no tried to download Suits from USA.
     
  2. Sep 5, 2013 #22 of 178
    bayern_fan

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    Same on Cablevision! It's a bummer
     
  3. Sep 6, 2013 #23 of 178
    Joe Siegler

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    I'm antenna only, and oddly enough the video podcasts I download (from places like CNet & Revision 3) on my TiVo can't be copied from one TiVo box to another. Always found that to be bizarre.

    I'm gonna assume these won't be doable either if I can't copy it from one TiVo to another in my own house.
     
  4. Sep 6, 2013 #24 of 178
    aadam101

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    Even the "Welcome to Tivo" videos that Tivo creates themselves can't be copied. It makes no sense. It's no wonder why Tivo never really caught on with the masses. They go out of their way to make it hard for people to know about them.
     
  5. Sep 6, 2013 #25 of 178
    Dan203

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    Nothing that is "pushed" to a TiVo can be copied. It's like it has some built in CCI flag. Even if you push something yourself using pyTiVo it'll be blocked from being transferred again.
     
  6. Sep 6, 2013 #26 of 178
    mattack

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    Wait, are podcasts pushed to a Tivo? I thought nightly a tivo checked for new podcasts.. but sort of arguing against myself, it ALSO seems like deleting a podcast entry often gets it to download more podcasts..

    I tend to still download a bunch of CNET video podcasts, but now virtually always watch them on my iPad instead since I can watch at 2x.
     
  7. Sep 6, 2013 #27 of 178
    Dan203

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    I think if you set em up via the podcast app then they are pushed by TiVo's servers. Not 100% sure though. I know if you set them up via TiVo Desktop they're pushed, but I don't think anyone uses that method any more. (It never quite worked right anyway)
     
  8. Sep 7, 2013 #28 of 178
    Joe Siegler

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    I call them video podcasts, but that might not be the "proper term" for them.

    I'm referring to things like "The Apple Byte" from CNet, or "HD Nation" from Revision 3. If you search for them in the search function you'll find them and they can get added to the download manager.

    Technically it's a video file coming from the CNet server from an rss feed that TiVo then delivers to your box. Is that push? I don't know, but those are the kinds of things I'm referring to.
     
  9. Sep 7, 2013 #29 of 178
    Dan203

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    I think the way it works it is a push. It not about how the TiVo downloads it, it's about how the request for the download is sent to the TiVo. But again I'm not 100% positive. I just seem to remember reading something about that being the way it worked. I could be misremembering.
     
  10. Sep 7, 2013 #30 of 178
    Joe Siegler

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    Yeah, I'm not sure about the bits and pieces on how TiVo (the service) gets the video to my TiVo (box).

    I know the original source material at Rev3 & CNet exists as video podcasts on an RSS. That's about the only thing I'm positive about. :)
     
  11. Sep 10, 2013 #31 of 178
    shwru980r

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    I think you could just watch those podcasts directly from the cnet or revision3 websites with an Ipad.
     
  12. Sep 10, 2013 #32 of 178
    Fofer

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    yeah, any podcast app will work with them, or you could download/stream/sync them yourself... they are not "TiVo exclusives" by any means...
     
  13. Sep 25, 2013 #33 of 178
    bcrider

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    Glad I came across this thread. I was just looking at getting a Slingbox, but a TiVo Stream that allows for streaming outside the home will be great! Hope they update this soon.
     
  14. Sep 25, 2013 #34 of 178
    Fofer

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    Yes, I too am looking forward to it... very happy to have learned it'll work with my existing TiVo Stream and TiVo Premiere. (Not entirely interested in upgrading to a Roamio at this time.) I hope it handles adaptive bitrate streaming well, so it works adequately in remote locations with not-so-fast internet speeds. Hopefully the Stream's hardware can handle that transcoding (?) The Slingbox already does this well.

    What the Stream has over the Slingbox is tighter UI integration with native controls. The Slingbox uses IR blasters to control your settop box, and adds on a "virtual" remote widget on your handheld/laptop screen to control it all... the end result is a bit laggy and sometimes feels like a kludge. TiVo's implementation, while it's taken far too many years to get here, strikes me as more elegant, integrated and reliable. Let's hope this comes to pass, in reality, and is as usable as I'm hoping it will be.
     
  15. Sep 25, 2013 #35 of 178
    Fofer

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    Although this part I hadn't heard yet, kinda sucks:

    http://variety.com/2013/digital/new...tent-outside-the-home-with-roamio-1200582143/

    I mean, I knew that downloading wouldn't work for all content (damn CCI flag) but I thought streaming was a "solution" for that. At least it has been that way within then home when sharing content between two TiVos (and streaming to an iPad.) I did not expect that streaming would be further restricted and that some content wouldn't be allowed to be streamed outside the home. I guess I should never make assumptions when it comes to TiVo, they always seems to come up with new and novel ways to disappoint me. :rolleyes: Yes, I understand they're under legal pressure to keep this secure and appease the broadcasters. Doesn't make me any less disappointed, though.

    So in this regard, Slingbox is better. It lets you stream anything, anywhere. No downloading though. Sounds like Dish's Hopper product can also do both (and why they're always being legally challenged by the broadcasters.) I am not sure how DirecTV's Genie product handles this.
     
  16. Sep 25, 2013 #36 of 178
    moyekj

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    For Slingbox Pro or later models there is actually a way to capture real time H.264 output of the Sling. Not as good as downloads but better than nothing.
     
  17. Sep 25, 2013 #37 of 178
    Fofer

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    Really? Interesting. Got a link?
     
  18. Sep 25, 2013 #38 of 178
    moyekj

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    See Capturing Slingbox 350/500 video thread.
    Note that I incorporated the capability into recent versions of kmttg.
     
  19. Sep 26, 2013 #39 of 178
    mattack

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    Though, to be honest, Slingbox is affected by copy protection just the same. I was watching a CNET video on Slingbox (from early this year, that I still had on my iPad), and they mentioned that while you can hook up HDMI to the slingbox, even sling recommends you ALSO connect component, BECAUSE OF COPY PROTECTION ISSUES.

    So this is very very close to being the same thing.. You're essentially just hitting the analog hole with component.
     
  20. Sep 26, 2013 #40 of 178
    moyekj

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    Slingbox 500 with HDMI is worthless IMO. What makes Sling great is ability to exploit the analog hole using component. I was very glad to see Roamios released with analog outputs still. A day will come when analog outputs on these boxes will be gone, though at that point probably HDMI/component adapters could be used to work around the HDCP nonsense.
     

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