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Tivo Stream & False Advertising!! I want my $ Back!

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by Adaptel, Apr 29, 2013.

  1. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    Tivo should focus on streaming to web browsers regardless of platform and Android support. Browser streaming will appeal to almost 100% of current owners, and Android support will address Tivo's inability to comprehend evolving mobile trends.


    I'd said this before, but I'll say it again since I genuinely don't understand: Tivo is a small company, and small companies are usually more limber -- can change directions quickly and can adapt to emerging trends faster than a large corporation. Is Tivo culture to blame for these missteps? Is it poor leadership that stuck their heads in the sand when interpreting changing mobile trends? It just seems someone has iOS blinders on when leading a company that should be platform neutral. Customers should be able to see Tivo, see what they can do with their laptop or tablet or phone, and then move forward.
     
  2. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    The issue here is locking down the content in ways that do NOT expand on to television screens, Tivo has been very consistent in this approach. My take has always been that they're very cautious around ticking off the content providers, and staying away from any alternative big screen display is their solution.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    It's a well established standard that meets the content providers requirements for protection. Plus it's super simple. Basically just a a TS stream broken up into small chunks for easy seeking.
     
  4. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    Tivo may be timid in regards to potentially upsetting content providers, but that doesn't explain their inability to adapt to the changing mobile landscape. I know there is clear love for iOS in the Tivo leadership, but at a certain point you have to adjust to the reality and make compatibility with other OS and formats a priority.

    Edit: I know Android streaming is supposedly on the way. What about browser streaming? Windows 8? Etc? Tivo is playing catch up to the market instead of leading it.
     
  5. Austin Bike

    Austin Bike New Member

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    Streaming to a tablet or phone is "safer" because it is a more "closed" environment.
     
  6. Grakthis

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    It's a well established standard that doesn't run on the next generation of windows and doesn't run on 44% of the market leading mobile OS.

    Tell me again how it's a well established standard?

    People making excuses for the fact that the stream is locked in to a single OS are completely out of line. Especially using the "soon is relative" argument.

    We shouldn't have to coddle our hardware and service providers. They should meet our demand.

    I literally have not bought a stream because it doesn't support multiple operating systems and we're a multiple operating system household.

    I don't know how poorly the stream is doing, but if it's a total disaster (as I suspect it is) it's because of their lack of platform support. And I imagine they are getting regular returns on it, because everytime I get an ad for it, it just says "Stream to your mobile device" and I have to click 3+ times to find the list of supported devices to figure out "****, still just iOS."

    Stop making excuses for TiVo's exceptionally slow development lifecycle. It's an embarrassment. I let it go for the TiVo boxes themselves (stability is EXTREMELY important for a cable box, and a slow produce lifecycle is GOOD there) but absolutely unacceptable for the world of mobile OS's. They should be 3-4 revisions down the line by now and available for all of the major mobile OS's, including a native Win8 app.
     
  7. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    You mean streaming to the iPad? Netflix and Amazon don't seem concerned about streaming to computers.
     
  8. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Active Member

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    Ya the BS about security is getting about as old as the BS about supporting other plat forms. When it is easy to find multiple examples of companies supporting multiple plat forms and providing several ways of accessing content outside of ones home I call BS on all of it and put the fault solely on TiVo. Perhaps if TiVo focused on pushing the envelop instead of waiting to see what everyone else has done they might gain a little more success with the stand alone DVR/streaming media markets. Playing it safe sure hasn't done much for them.
     
  9. Austin Bike

    Austin Bike New Member

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    Bigger companies with more lawyers.

    Keep in mind that there is a difference between being right and having all of the time and money to prove you are right.
     
  10. quikah

    quikah New Member

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    This argument doesn't even make any sense. Does streaming to iOS somehow make them immune to litigation? There are secure ways to stream to android, iOS and desktops. Netflix, Amazon, HBO, etc. are able to do it. TiVo just chose to use the least portable method available. It was probably entirely due to development costs.
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    HLS is an open standard based on well known technologies. It uses MPEG Transport Streams for storage, which have been used in broadcasting for 20+ years, and HTTPS for encryption which has been used on the web since it's inception.

    The fact that it's supported by 56% percent of Android devices and 100% of iOS devices makes it supported by a bigger percentage of the total market then any similar technology. In fact I've done a lot of research in this area and the only alternatives are proprietary technologies with licensing fees or even worse OS support. In fact the the reason MS didn't include HLS in Win8 is because they are trying to push their own proprietary technology for video streaming instead. (like always) Eventually they will crack and add HLS. In the mean time there are 3rd party alternatives to add HLS to Win8.
     
  12. mattack

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    They don't? Is/was there Silverlight (DRMed player) on Linux?
     

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