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TiVo Series 5

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by geekmedic, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    Thats not how I read it, but you might be right since WiFi doesn't make much sense.
     
  2. compnurd

    compnurd New Member

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    They might... Direct TV just put Wifi in there newest whole home DVR
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Actually it does. TiVos have two network requirements. One for streaming and one for accessing the internet. They are moving toward a model where there is a host DVR with 4-6 tuners and then a bunch of Minis, or other streaming devices, used to access the host around the house. With WiFi built in they could allow the host to talk to the Minis via MoCa but still access the internet via WiFi without the need for a MoCa bridge at the router or an Ethernet connection.

    Another potential usage... If the next TiVo has built in Stream capabilities then it could act as an access point and stream directly to an iPad without the need for any other equipment.

    Since the Minis don't have WiFi I doubt they intent to use WiFi for streaming between rooms, but for the two cases mentioned above it makes perfect sense.
     
  4. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    I can see that. It just seems to fly in the face of keeping it simple which TiVo tends to aim for.

    It just seems to be a potential support issue since I could see customer confusion by including it but not supporting it for streaming.
     
  5. compnurd

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    And that is how the HR44 does it for Direct TV
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The alternative is to force the user to use Ethernet, which may not be an option, or to buy a MoCa bridge and install it near their router. Including WiFi for just the internet leg seems simpler, and less confusing, then either of those two options.
     
  7. Bigg

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    Even just for the internet leg, Wifi has WAY too many reliability and throughput issues.
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Perhaps, but it's more convenient. Some people are willing to trade reliability for convenience.

    Plus it's not like this is going to be the only option. You'll still be able to use MoCa or Ethernet if you want.
     
  9. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Again, you can stream with WiFi N, even G, if everything is *perfect* and you are only pushing a single stream (well, at least with G). But since things are rarely perfect with wireless, it just doesn't make sense for TiVo to subject themselves to the certain support NIGHTMARE than wireless would bring.

    They might also add it just for "normal" use and even H264 streaming (not MRV) and then program it to not allow MRV streaming over it (that would be fairly complex to do). But I can see that as also a major negative as customers will then complain endlessly of a "bait and switch" type situation and be very confused.
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Why would it be a nightmare? They could simply say video streaming is not available via WiFi. Since the Mini doesn't have built in WiFi the only way someone could even try streaming via WiFi is if they used a bridge. And if they get that far then they likely already know what they're doing. (or at least think they do)

    TiVo could put a note in the instructions that WiFi is for internet access only and that MoCa or Ethernet is required for streaming. CSRs could be trained to tell customers the same thing.

    Or maybe they'll just change their stance on WiFi and allow streaming. They might be able to detect when the user is only using WiFi and limit the number of streams accordingly. (perhaps it would only allow one stream at a time if using WiFi)
     
  11. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Since when do people read instructions?
     
  12. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The most user friendly option would be to detect the connection type and limit streaming and throw up a message explaining the issue when the limit was hit. However adding UI elements seems to be hard for TiVo so I'm not sure that will happen.
     
  13. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Actually take that idea go a bit further- just quickly TEST the connection throughput first and if it fails, then throw up the message. That way it doesn't matter what type of network you are using. A crappy wired connection could fail while a great wifi setup would work.
     
  14. Bigg

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    The problem is reliability. The Wifi could be doing a nice 40mbps, and all of the sudden, Mrs. Next Door gets a new router and interferes, or someone uses a microwave, or a zillion other things that can interfere with wifi...
     
  15. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Extremely true
     
  16. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Given that the Mini doesn't have Wifi I doubt many people would try to use Wifi for streaming, even if it's built in. I think 99% of people would use it "as intended" for connecting the TiVo to the internet. If they're going to get a Mini then they might as well use MoCa since both devices will have that built in.

    I wonder if the TiVo built in WiFi could be used as an Access Point? That might be cool. I have a MoCa bridge for connecting my TiVo to the internet, but I also have a WiFi AP in the same room. If I could use the TiVo as an AP it would eliminate one more box from my A/V rack.
     
  17. lessd

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    If all TiVos and the Mini are on Moca does the streaming still go through the router, or can you use a slow WiFi connected to one of the TiVos as a bridge to get to the internet just for updates.
     
  18. JWhites

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    If all the TiVo's are on MoCA either natively on the 4 tuner and Mini or using a MoCA bridge adapter, it doesn't pass through the router when streaming or transferring files between each other unless it's accessing the internet for updates or web streaming with Netflix or obtaining an IP address from the router DHCP server. I think that because of how the TiVo's are programmed, if you want to use a 4 tuner TiVo as a bridge to supply internet and IP addresses to other MoCA enabled TiVo's, you'd need to use an Ethernet cable.
     
  19. aaronwt

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    That's how my boxes are setup. One ELite connects to my LAN with an EThernet cable. Then over MoCA it connects to my two Minis and my other ELite. Then my OTA Premiere is connected to that second ELite with an Ethernet cable. Internet access is fed to all the TiVos from the ethernet cable on the first Elite. And my router assigns the IP address I have reserved for each of those devices based on their MAC address.
     
  20. gweempose

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    I have a hardwired network going to every viewing location in my home. Would there be any advantage of going with MoCA instead of ethernet?
     

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