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TiVo Series 5

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by geekmedic, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    I have been telling TiVo to add it (cloud or SD storage) for years and years. I add it to every survey. I tell them every time I ever call for support on something else. I have posted on these forums several times too.

    I certainly hope it is not new to them.
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That speed is basically insignificant to a TiVo though. It might help reduce the time required to reboot, but how often do you do that? Other then that most of TiVos speed is CPU bound not disk bound. An HD stream has a max bitrate of 19.2Mbps. Even with 4 tuners recording, watching another recording, streaming to 3 devices and downloading from another TiVo all going at once (max TiVo can do) you're still well under the throughput of even a slow HDD.
     
  3. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    Power consumption.
     
  4. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. Beefier CPU and more RAM will speed things up much more than SSD. Series 4 TiVo hardware has been below minimum Adobe specs for running Flash since inception, which is why they are so darn sluggish running HDUI and Flash apps. I expect next hardware generation should solve that problem. The Mini already gives a good reference of much speedup to expect with new hardware.
     
  5. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    I have been on design teams that created chips with the same type of memory on-board -- it remains a black art. You want to trap charge on an insulator so pure it will not leak it off for YEARS unless purposely changed, but be able to tunnel charge into and out of that node at will. There really isn't any new physics or material science on the horizon to make it dramatically easier or better.
     
  6. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Yes, they are getting better from all standpoints. But when you need terabytes of storage, they are just not at all practical.

    For smaller sizes, it is really heating up. We are right now replacing the hard drives in all the 180 Linux workstations at work with SSDs (64GB). And I just bought a 256GB SDD for my home Linux machine- I will use the multi-terabyte RAID for just large stuff like video, music, pics and install everything else (the OS and /home and such) on the SSD. It is sitting right by the keyboard waiting for a new install (Mageia 3 just released last night and I have it downloaded now! http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/ )
     
  7. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    Hopefully this time it will also be designed to last the 2-3 years before a replacement. Sure the Mini feels fast from what people have said, but does it feel fast enough for 2-3 years from now or just what the Premiere should have had 3 years ago?

    We already have an idea on the CPU which last I heard wasn't the newest chip out which old match the history of the hardware TiVo goes with. Hopefully they will up the memory especially in the 4-6 tuner.
     
  8. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

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    No I get emails from them requesting me to call in and go over each issue that I mentioned in greater detail, and troubleshoot with them. They then escalate it back to the engineers for the day before I get another email the following day for the next issue.
     
  9. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

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    Untrue since I reference the incident number and they immediately are aware of the issues I described, they're seeing it themselves on their own TiVo's at the office and at home. As I described in the previous post, I'm being contacted and asked to contact them back for troubleshooting and note taking steps.
     
  10. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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  11. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Active Member

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    IIRC the actual cells have gotten slightly better. But the big increase in 'real life' SSD longevity is better wear leveling algorithms and vastly larger storage space (which gives the wear leveling algorithms more room to spread the damage around).

    Sizing an SSD just large enough to hold TiVo's live buffers would be absolute worst case though and woud crush it fairly quickly. The load balancing algorithm can't do anything if the entire drive is constantly updating and gets overwritten roughtly every 45 minutes.


    And honestly, the buffers aren't where the speed impact is - a spinning disk is plenty fast for that usage. You'd get a better performance boost by either moving the TiVo application & database to a seperate SSD; or go back to the aftermarket Series 1 TiVo Cachecard idea and give it enough memory to copy the database into RAM so it doesn't hit the disk while populating menus or searching for wishlists.
     
  12. riz

    riz New Member

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    I just bought a new XL4 with lifetime, got a good deal on it under $700. I dont really need 6 tuners (4 is more than enough) I don't need ota, or wifi...

    So, any chance the new Tivos coming will have a feature that I must have not listed above? $700 is still $700, your thoughts?
     
  13. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    No one knows the details about the next hardware. Personally I would wait because the hardware you have now is 3 years old. We might get a better idea at the Cable Show June 10-12th.

    The speed improvement alone should be pretty significant. It could also have the Stream functionality built in which TiVo at one point said they were looking to put it in their next box.
     
  14. riz

    riz New Member

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    My thoughts against not waiting, resale value... I got the lifetime and XL4 with a resale value of $700+ now (more than I paid for new)... So in 4-6 months, if need be, sell for about even then plunker down for the new model... Going back to my TivoHD would suck lol

    I guess I keep it with the calculated risk that I wont lose much if any on resale if the new hardware is worth the upgrade
     
  15. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    Yeah if you are willing to resell and eat any cost you potentially might lose, I would keep the XL4 then. It probably won't be out for another 4 months so September/October.
     
  16. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    No idea if it will be fast enough to last 3 or 4 years. But the chipset that will be used is probably the same one everyone else seems to be using. The sister chipset to the one the Mini is using.
     
  17. Bigg

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    Yeah, that's true. You'd burn through the whole drive every 45 minutes or so! I hadn't thought of it that way... I guess they could use a little one for the software and user data.
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yeah I think it's from the same family used in the Roku2 and Samsung Smart TVs. I think the Roku3 uses something newer though.
     
  19. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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  20. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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