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TiVo Series 5

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by geekmedic, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That bill looks about the same as my charter bill with three exceptions...

    1) I only have a minor bump in internet to a 30/4 plan which is only $10/mo extra instead of $48/mo. They have 100/5 plan but like you I'd have to pay an extra $50/mo and it doesn't seem worth it to me. (although I've considered it a few times)

    2) I have my own modem. $70 at Amazon and it pays for itself in less then a year

    3) I only have 3 CableCARDs and they're only $2/mo each. (3 CableCARDs = 8 tuners for us)

    I also have some sort of promotional credit on there that's lowering my bill temporarily by $30. All in we're at about $180/mo. When the promo expires it'll jump to over $200/mo and I'll have to call back and see what they can do for me. (they always have some promo to lower your bill for 6-12 months if you commit)
     
  2. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member

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    I just picked up a Motorola SB6141 the other day to replace the SB6120 I had been renting. I also cancelled all my premium channels except for HBO and Showtime. I got sick and tired of paying $320/month to Comcast.
     
  3. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member

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    The internet is damn expensive, but I'm a trader and work from home, so at least I can write some of it off. I have to say, I've been very happy with Comcast's internet. I've been using them for years, and the service has been very reliable. They recently upgraded my plan. I'm now getting sustained speeds of about 120 Mbps down and 20 Mbps up, and I'm not paying any more money. It definitely comes in handy having all that speed when you are doing stuff like BitTorrent, but I've been doing a lot less of that these days. :)
     
  4. Bigg

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    You're getting WAY overcharged for those CC's. You should tell them you have 4 Series 3 TiVos, and pay for 4 full priced CC's and 4 @ 1.50. Also, you should buy your modem, you could save a lot by switching to Blast! as opposed to Extreme, and in some areas, you could get the HD Technology fee off, although that varies market to market.
     
  5. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    1) SSD is still way too expensive for a main drive. WAY WAY too expensive.

    2) I don't think it would affect performance much at all. Hard drives are plenty fast enough for video playback (many times over). The slow parts of the TiVo are due to the Flash and software design, tivo server dependencies, the slow CPU, and the lack of RAM for more caching.

    3) It would be a WONDERFUL thing if they were to store all the *settings* (and possibly even OS) on a removable SD flash card. I have been suggesting that for years to TiVo. That way you would not lose your ratings, stations, preferences, and settings every time something went wrong. Upgrades or changes could be a snap. They should at least have a "cloud" option at this point for that stuff.
     
  6. Darkev

    Darkev New Member

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    Great idea crxssi. They should setup focus groups with several folks who've owned TiVos for years before embarking on any new hardware design. I realize it's less expensive for them to put minimal memory chips inside the tivo along with a slow CPU, but people just might be willing to pay extra for a machine that is faster and smoother. I found most DVRs/PVRs have slow CPUs. Every one I've owned prior to TiVo were actually worse than TiVo as far as speed goes. In 2013, the commands we choose should be just as responsive as they used to be with a VCR from 1980. Sure, it's different technology and much more complicated, but we've lost responsiveness with out DVR A/V equipment over the years.
     
  7. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    They do kind of do this already. If you replace the hard drive in a specific TiVo it will actually re-download all your SPs from the cloud. (not sure about thumb ratings or WLs though) so what they really need is a UI for transferring those things to a new box. Also an MRV option that moves, rather then copies, shows so that even copy protected shows can be moved to a new unit would be nice.
     
  8. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    You are correct, but it is ONLY season passes. The ratings and channels and all other settings are lost forever. Plus you have to know how to do it, and I think that only works if you set up your MAK for remote (can't remember it has been so long).

    Good idea on the moving of programs. Of course, if you have only one TiVo, that is not an option. In my case, however, I rarely care that much about the recordings- those can usually be replaced. My hours of frustration reentering everything (including ratings over the next YEAR) can't be recooped.
     
  9. Bigg

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    Yup, that would actually make sense though. It would be awesome to have an SSD for the live TV buffer as well, since that's pounding away on the HDD 24/7. You'd only need about an 80GB drive for the buffer on a quad-tuner unit.

    They should have a cloud option, as well as dynamic scheduling among units with intelligent network transfers to spread the load out evenly among a household so that you always have tuners available on every box. And user profiles with quotas that work and re-distribute across the whole house worth of DVRs. But that would actually require TiVo to innovate, right?
     
  10. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

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    I was speaking to TiVo about the idea someone on the forum had about using a removable memory chip to store season passes, ratings, and other personalized settings that can be taken out and put into a new TiVo in the event of an exchange or failure or replacement, and they seemed to like the idea quite a lot and thought it was ingenious. It reminds me of how a SIM card works where it stores the customers personal information, phone number, contacts and the like, and can be removed and put into another phone or computer.
     
  11. PotentiallyCoherent

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    Do you actually talk to the box, or do you bug CSRs 24/7?
     
  12. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    You can talk to Tivo about any number of things, all of them potentially great ideas. Any number of them will be immediately discarded.

    This one in particular was brought up years ago, it's nothing new or ingenious.
     
  13. compnurd

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    I think he is bugging CSR's not realizing most of no clue what they are talking about and are just yessing him to get him off the phone
     
  14. KevinG

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    You do realize that that is about the worst possible scenario for the longevity of an SSD, right?
     
  15. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Yes. A platter hard drive running 24/7/365 has never caused me issues in the past. I would much rather have a platter drive for that than an SSD.
     
  16. Darkev

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    I'm a bit puzzled and although this may be considered off topic, but don't SSDs have zero moveable parts whereas HDD are constantly physically in motion? Mechanical parts tend to wear our quicker than solid state, so how is it that the SSD cannot withstand constant reading and writing?
     
  17. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    Because there IS physical motion in an SSD -- charge being pushed thru gate insulators of floating-gate FETs -- this is a delicate operation, balanced between unreliability and breakdown, that is sensitive to the barest wisp of process contamination. Only accellerated life testing can confirm that the expected number of useful cycles has been obtained.

    In contrast, the HD has no head to platter contact, with the heads flying on air, and the bearings are riding on a thin film of lubricant -- this can easily go on for many years, with no life reduction due to intensive data changes (or not).
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    There is no physical motion in an SSD unless you count electrons being pushed between atoms. The reason SSDs wear out is because they use a special material to hold electrons which is then used to signal the chipset whether a cell is a 1 or a 0. (i.e. charged means 1, uncharged means 0) Each erase/write diminishes the cells ability to hold a charged state and after about 5,000-10,000 erase/write cycles the cell becomes unusable. Modern SSDs use load balancing to spread erase/writes across the entire drive so that one section of the drive doesn't wear out faster then another. However if you were writing to the drive 24/7, like a TiVo does, it would likely wear out faster then a typical HDD takes to fail. Although the numbers are pretty close, so I think the biggest drawback to SSD is cost. Plus it doesn't really provide any benefit to a TiVo, expect maybe silent operation.
     
  19. Bigg

    Bigg Cord Cutter

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    Are we still at that point with SSDs? I thought we were getting a lot better with longevity?
     
  20. Darkev

    Darkev New Member

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    The other benefit to the SSD is speed. When I upgraded my Mac to an SSD it was like purchasing a brand new machine the speed was so much greater. It's interesting that these SSD drives are designed to only allow so few writes to a cell. Hopefully this will be remedied one day.

    Thanks for the info guys.
     

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