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TiVo Series 5

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by geekmedic, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    From your sig inventory looks like you may have 8 cablecards (2 for each S3, 1 each for series 4 units), so that would make it $10/cablecard which sounds very high! Are there more units not listed in your sig or are you counting Additional Outlet Fees as part of the cost too? Luckily for me cablecards are $2/month and Additional Outlet Fees are very small (under $1 each from what I recall).
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    6 tuners would be more then enough for us. We currently have 8 (1 Elite and 2 Premieres) but we don't really need that many. It's mainly because me and my wife record a lot of different things to watch alone and having one huge list of all our stuff mixed together would be a PITA. Although if the 6 tuner comes out with some sort of family profile system we'll probably get one to replace the Elite and one Premiere. We'll have to keep one Premiere around though because we still have some stations that are only available as analog and based on the FCC filing these new 6 tuner units wont do analog.
     
  3. Darkev

    Darkev New Member

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    It seems odd they would be doing this when more and more electronics are being developed to work wirelessly. There are ways around it. You can buy wireless access points that allow you to connect devices with an ethernet cord.
     
  4. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Even if they added wifi to the next gen TiVos the Minis don't have it so you'd still have to use MoCa or Ethernet for internal streaming. (or a wifi bridge) The built in wifi would only be used for the internet leg of the connection for downloading guide data and using apps, both of which should work fine via wifi. The issue with wifi for internal streaming is that MRS uses full bitrate video (15-19Mbps) and allows streaming to up to 3 devices, plus downloading, all at the same time which can quickly saturate a wifi bandwidth and degrade the user experience.
     
  5. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    And so is G.

    Bingo. I don't blame TiVo a bit on this. Anyone can hook a WiFi gaming adapter to a TiVo and if it is done right get good results. But if one calls TiVo with issues about streaming, they are going to ask if it is wired or wireless (as they should) and if it is wireless, they are simply not going to troubleshoot any further for the customer.
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Not really. A host TiVo can stream to 3 devices. The real world throughput of 802.11g is only 15-20Mbps. A typical 1080i HD stream is about 15Mbps. So you might be able to stream one show but that's it. Even 802.11n, which has a real world speeds around 50Mbps, you would barely be able to do all 3 and if the TiVo was making a call or using Netflix at the time you'd be in trouble. Plus the 6 tuner model might allow even more streams, especially if it has built in Stream capabilities, so wifi could be even less of a viable option.
     
  7. gweempose

    gweempose Active Member

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    Very high indeed ... :eek:

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  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    At that price I would be looking at upgrading. One 4 tuner could replace the 2 S3s and save you $30/mo. (4 CableCARDs to 1) Two 4 tuner units could get you down to 4. If you can cut two tuners and get it down to just 12* with three 4 tuner units then you could save yourself $50/mo.

    If you need to service more TVs then get some Minis, they're cheaper then full TiVos and don't require a CableCARD.

    * Based on your sig you have 14 tuners, not 12.
     
  9. socrplyr

    socrplyr Active Member

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    If I was being charged that, I would definitely dump the S3 units. I have never had Comcast, but I would definitely fight those charges. I feell they can't charge for something they don't provide. I doubt it would get anywhere, but they don't actually provide the additional outlet (that is your responsibility in your own home). On a side note, from what I have seen here, I am 99% sure that you are being over charged for the S3 units. I believe that there is no second AO fee for a second cablecard in the same device, just the cablecard rental fee (In the past $1.50). Also, you should be getting some kind of credit b/c I am pretty sure the AO fee includes an STB, which they need to credit you for (I thought the credit was $2.50). Also, isn't your first outlet supposed to be included in the price of the service? You should definitely be able to drop some money off that bill by just getting those three things straightened out.
     
  10. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Exactly. I never said it was ideal :)
     
  11. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    If the Minis weren't so damn expensive I would agree with you, but you do have to factor in the savings for only needing one card.
     
  12. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    If half of those are second cards in an S3, he's definitely getting overcharged. As you said the second card in a Tivo is $1.50 per month, and there should be a $2.50 credit for each card that he's not showing (net cost for A/O cards is $7.45 a month).

    Escalate to Comcast corporate if the local won't fix this obviously incorrect bill.
     
  13. GmanTiVo

    GmanTiVo give me more options

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    Has TiVo ever considered integrating flash memory to alleviate the amount of read/write that goes on with the HD and to speed up playback functionality?
     
  14. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    I hope they don't -- my experience with the reliability of SSD's in computers has been very poor -- I'd hate to have one soldered into the TiVo main board.
     
  15. gweempose

    gweempose Active Member

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    Two of them are second cards in S3s.

    I am receiving a credit of $2.50 for each TiVo. They call it a "Customer Owned Equipment Adjustment". If you consider that to be a discount off the cablecards, then it does indeed bring six of the cards down to $7.45/month. I'm still being charged the full $9.95/month for the other two cards, though. I've talked to Comcast many times about this, and I have never got anywhere with them.
     
  16. gweempose

    gweempose Active Member

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    I agree, and that's why I've officially decided to get rid of both S3s. I'm just biding my time to see what the new TiVos will be like. A 6-tuner unit would be ideal for my purposes, as it would allow to replace both my S3s as well as my THD with one TiVo and two Minis.

    Are the Minis pretty reliable? Do they essentially function like a single tuner Premiere?
     
  17. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    WOW that more than anybody I know on the Comcast system
    My friend pays $7.43 for each of his 6 cable cards and no HD fee and I pay $1.00 for each of my 4 cable cards, no HD fee, in CT we all pay another 9% tax and other fees on top of the price.

    I don't know how you make that great copy of your Comcast bill, below I just copied the section from my bill:

    3D Technology Fee- No Charge 05/25 - 06/24
    Franchise Related Cost 05/25 - 06/24 $0.67
    (Cost Associated With Local Access
    Programming, Facilities, Equipment Or Other
    Related License Requirements)
    2nd Cablecard 05/25 - 06/24 $4.00
    Same Outlet.
    Qty 4 @ $1.00 each
    Total Additional XFINITY TV Services $4.67


    On the other hand I pay $139 for cable+high speed internet with HBO and Starz, no other premium channels, you pay only $126 for far more premium channels. If I ordered the same premium channels you have my total bill would be closer to yours. (I am assuming your $126.95 comes with internet service)
     
  18. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    :eek::eek::eek:Is that high price really just for TV?

    My FiOS bill for 150/65 internet, home phone, Ultimate HDTV tier(with 3 cable cards and most premium channels), and cellular phone service with unlimited data is only around $225 before taxes.
     
  19. gweempose

    gweempose Active Member

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    I wish. Here's a full copy of my bill. As you can see, it's pretty ridiculous:

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  20. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Buy your own modem, it will pay for itself in less than a year. But $7 saved is a pittance for that bill! :eek:

    I don't understand why they wouldn't give you the $1.50 card charge for 2nd card in a Tivo, they can see from their end that the Host IDs are the same on both cards. It's even on the rate sheet as such in my area, and I know that the corporate reps know about it from my conversations with them.
     

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