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Tivo - receives CableLabs verification

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by dt_dc, Apr 3, 2006.

  1. Apr 3, 2006 #1 of 163
    dt_dc

    dt_dc Mostly Harmless

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    Big milestone for the S3 ...

    http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downloads/OC_PNP.pdf

    CableLabs Certified, Verified, and Self-Verified Cable Products
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    Tivo TCD648250A STB Verified
     
  2. Apr 3, 2006 #2 of 163
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Awesome! I'm sure this is one of the major unknowns in the process and it's good to have it over and done with. I wonder if they'll release any details such as whether or not they approved TTG and MRV of encrypted content?

    Dan
     
  3. Apr 3, 2006 #3 of 163
    elrcastor

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    sweet!!!! Can't hardly wait.
     
  4. Apr 3, 2006 #4 of 163
    TiVoPony

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    Alviso,...
    This is indeed a very large milestone.

    There are 444 separate tests required to receive CableLabs certification. Series3 passed on it's first go.

    The entire Series3 team here at TiVo deserves a big round of applause. :D

    Second half of 2006.

    Cheers,
    Pony
     
  5. Apr 3, 2006 #5 of 163
    Dan203

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    <applause>

    What you can't tighten that up a little now? ;)

    Dan
     
  6. Apr 3, 2006 #6 of 163
    hammer32

    hammer32 TiVo Combat Crew

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    Great news, good job! :D
     
  7. Apr 3, 2006 #7 of 163
    lajohn27

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    And the model number tooo...

    TCD648250A .... Neat.
     
  8. Apr 3, 2006 #8 of 163
    elrcastor

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    *** Plans and throws the S3 team a wild party ***
     
  9. Apr 3, 2006 #9 of 163
    Sirshagg

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    :up: :up: :up:

    Sweet!

    Good job guys.
     
  10. Apr 3, 2006 #10 of 163
    Dan203

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    Hmmm.... The new dual tuner Series 2 unit is a TCD649180 and this is a TCD648250A. With only one number different in model number it would suggest, at least histoically, that they have very similar hardware platforms. Which means it's very possible they use the same encoder/decoder chip, which means that the new DT unit could not only do MPEG-4 but might also be able to downres HD content transfered from a S3 via MRV. (of course that's just speculation and I could also be completely wrong :))

    Dan
     
  11. Apr 3, 2006 #11 of 163
    Globular

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    Congrats! TiVo rocks!

    Calendar or fiscal '06? :)

    Which half of the second half? :D

    Thanks guys,
    -Matt
     
  12. Apr 3, 2006 #12 of 163
    lajohn27

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    Dan:

    Good detective work man.. I hope you're right!

    J
     
  13. Apr 3, 2006 #13 of 163
    dt_dc

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    No offense ... I must admit this surprised me. I was personally 'interpreting' the second half '06 comments as meaning Tivo had failed CW41 and was having to re-submit for CW43. Alot of very big, very technical companies don't pass their first CableLabs CW ...

    Note: CableLabs Test Wave schedules can be found here:
    http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downloads/2006_TestWave.pdf

    And just in case people are curious about the testing process ...
    http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downloads/UNI-DIR-ATP-I05-040629.pdf
    http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/

    A deserved applause for the S3 team indeed ... and not just the techies.
     
  14. Apr 3, 2006 #14 of 163
    btl-a4

    btl-a4 Man I must be bored.

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    I thought the unit was to have a 300 gig HD am I remembering wrong? witht the 250 at the end I would guess that means 250 gig. Could be a Beta unit and the production unit will be 300.
     
  15. Apr 3, 2006 #15 of 163
    Dan203

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    They mistakenly reported it as a 300GB unit at CES. However TiVoPony later corrected the report and said that it would actually have a 250GB drive. Although with the eSATA port you could easily add another 500GB and have a unit that holds about 80 hours of HD content.

    Dan
     
  16. Apr 3, 2006 #16 of 163
    ChuckyBox

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    Nice job, all involved.

    Pony, make sure your lawyers know about this -- E* has been making a big deal about how you didn't introduce any new products last year (despite a fairly steady stream of service enhancements). You've got two new boxes this year, the wireless adapter, and some major service enhancements -- play 'em up.
     
  17. Apr 3, 2006 #17 of 163
    dt_dc

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    CableLabs keeps their lists of "approved outputs" pretty current. It's part of their licensing agreement(s):
    http://www.opencable.com/downloads/CHILA.pdf
    http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downloads/DFAST_Tech_License.pdf

    Basically, any encrypted content can only be output following the guidelines / technologies listed in the above document. Nothing real useful there to Tivo yet. So far the only things I see that could really be used for TTG/MRV would be:

    DTCP - Although so far they've only approved 1394/DTCP which would seem a bit limiting. DTCP-IP would seem like a good way to go ... but DTCP-IP hasn't been technically approved yet AFAIK.

    WMDRM - If you can't fight 'em ... join 'em.

    An approved technology that just recently showed up as approved ... and that I know absolutely nothing about ...

    Encentrus CPDO - no clue what that's about:
    http://home.businesswire.com/portal...d=news_view&newsId=20060320005785&newsLang=en

    So anyway, for TTG/MRV for encrypted / protected content ... Tivo is either 1) going to have to use one of the approved technologies from the license agreement or 2) submit a technology of their own and get it aprroved or 3) get someone else to submit a technology they want to use and get it approved.
     
  18. Apr 3, 2006 #18 of 163
    stevel

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    TiVo already got TiVoGuard approved as a content protection protocol by the FCC, right?
     
  19. Apr 3, 2006 #19 of 163
    Frankenstien

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    Congrats Series3 team! :up: :up: :up:
     
  20. Apr 3, 2006 #20 of 163
    dt_dc

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    As an approved output for content marked with the broadcast flag ... yes. However, that really doesn't mean squat to CableLabs.
     

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