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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Jun 25, 2013 #161 of 1049
    Dan203

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    Someone opened their Mini within hours of it's release, so I don't think we'll have to wait long for details on the new unit once they're released.
     
  2. Jun 25, 2013 #162 of 1049
    atmuscarella

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    That's what I thought as I was reading through all this. Seems like the P4 could become OTA (digital only) just by flipping a software switch. If that is really the case once Tivo has the needed FCC exception to drop OTA analog, I don't see why Tivo would not make that option available at least on any new DVRs and what we could end up with is just 2 new DVRs an enter level 4 tuner and a XL 6 tuner.
     
  3. Jun 25, 2013 #163 of 1049
    innocentfreak

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    I have a feeling I just quoted the person. Hopefully this time when I go to buy my TiVo they won't have to search this time since when I bought my Elite someone bought the one that was easy for them to find.
     
  4. Jun 25, 2013 #164 of 1049
    Bigg

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    It was the Rachel Maddow show, so definitely not a re-run other than the 3 hours later version.
     
  5. Jun 25, 2013 #165 of 1049
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    I had a conflict two days ago -- one basically caused by the idiocy of shows that begin or end 1 or 2 minutes longer than a normal timeslot. Of course it was also a show on a non-broadcast channel, so it repeats a dozen times. It could also have been solved were there a way to say to not record the episode(s) at all from that timeslot and allow it to get picked up from another timeslot. Still, it's something 6 tuners might be useful for over 4 tuners.
     
  6. Jun 25, 2013 #166 of 1049
    mattack

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    That's exactly what I have been talking about regarding padding. I pad most shows by default until I show over several airings that they don't need padding (and even that sometimes comes back to bite me). But basically, some networks (broadcast & cable) ALWAYS need padding, some never do.
     
  7. Jun 26, 2013 #167 of 1049
    lessd

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    Yes that what I was referring to, I don't have the answer, that why I asked.
    Do you think a large swath of the country uses a TiVo without a cable card (and I don't mean a TP used for OTA) say a TP-4 ?
     
  8. Jun 26, 2013 #168 of 1049
    moyekj

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    Maxlinear tuners in the Elite/XL4 are crap as far as I'm concerned (witness all these threads about losing ability to tune all channels which my Elite suffers from periodically as well but my 2 tuner Premieres never did). Sure hope the 6 tuner units use a different tuner IC vendor. Speed bump is also a certainty and can't wait to dump the Elite just for that reason alone.
     
  9. Jun 26, 2013 #169 of 1049
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    Thanks Moyekj... I remembered that TiVo selected a different Tuner vendor for the Elite/XL4 but didn't recall seeing the supplier name posted.

    I also agree that it does appear that there are some "technical" issues with that selection.
     
  10. Jun 26, 2013 #170 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    Just the opposite for me. I don't pad by default since the majority of shows I watch don't need it. But for the few I do pad, it's typically to get the previews for next week. The actual show isn't cut off.
     
  11. Jun 26, 2013 #171 of 1049
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    I also rarely need to pad (note I am OTA only) outside of broadcast delays caused by some live event. But there are/were some Fox shows that cut the previews off and came really close to needing it.
     
  12. Jun 26, 2013 #172 of 1049
    atmuscarella

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    Looks like Maxlinear is either in or going to be in HDHomerun products:


    Any idea what model number of the tuners/demodulators are in the Elite/P4/XL4?
     
  13. Jun 26, 2013 #173 of 1049
    moyekj

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    See MaxLinear Cable Receivers Drive New Whole House Entertainment System
    Here is a short spec sheet on MxL241SF.
     
  14. Jun 26, 2013 #174 of 1049
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    nooneuknow

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    It's my understanding, from what I've read on these forums, over time, that just like most markets have, or will be, moving to SDV, that another move being made is eliminating analog cable. Without analog cable, there's only Clear-QAM left for those without cablecards. If the FCC allows encryption of Clear-QAM, making it just QAM, it's also my understanding that a cablecard will be required to receive any (cable) programming (plus a Tuning Adapter, where applicable).

    I think the ONLY reason Cox in Las Vegas is still broadcasting in both analog and Clear-QAM (the latter being only local OTA stations), while deploying SDV, is their intense marketing campaign they ran about how our "friends at Cox" would keep our old analog TVs working, when the analog OTA switchover was imminent.

    However, they also promise a "free" internet speed increase, annually, which has been double the prior year's speed. Of course, after 6-8 months of enjoying this "free" speed increase, they increase the bill, citing their costs, and also blaming taxes. I'm certain, that once they need more spectrum to accommodate the speed increases (and profits), they'll move to eliminating analog cable.

    Does that help any?
     
  16. Jun 26, 2013 #176 of 1049
    lessd

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    My real question is: would a non OTA TiVo save anything in hardware/software cost by removing the ability to receive clear QAM, and require a cable card for any reception, the answer I got is that TiVo would not save much or anything by doing this. Comcast in CT is going all scramble in July so clear QAM will not be an option in my area after July. (I don't use clear QAM except to test out a new TiVo)
     
  17. Jun 26, 2013 #177 of 1049
    Philmatic

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    From earlier in the thread:

    So no...
     
  18. Jun 26, 2013 #178 of 1049
    Bigg

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    Wow, this discussion is dumb. Clear QAM requires LESS hardware than CableCard, not the other way around.
     
  19. Jun 26, 2013 #179 of 1049
    Dan203

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    Exactly! As I said QAM is QAM. The only difference between clear QAM and encrypted QAM is that encrypted QAM is flagged and requires a CableCARD in the loop to decrypt. You could create a device that only supports clear QAM and maybe save a few bucks on the CableCARD related hardware, and the CableLabs certification process. However there is absolutely no cost savings to eliminating clear QAM from a device that already supports encrypted QAM.

    The only way they're going to save money here is by combining the ATSC and the QAM "tuners" into a single unit and selecting the mode via software. Otherwise they're going to have to go with a system identical to the Premiere where there are separate inputs and separate "tuners" for OTA and cable.

    Although I think that they pretty much have to go with the first option, regardless of cost savings, just because there aren't enough inputs on the chipset for 8 discrete "tuners". I'm pretty sure the chip they're going to use only supports 6 "tuners". So if they want 4 tuners then it has to be a single input with switchable mode. Either that or it's going to be a 3 tuner unit with simultaneous input from OTA and cable. But since the Mini is marketed specifically as only working with 4 tuner units I'm betting that's not the way they are going.
     
  20. Jun 26, 2013 #180 of 1049
    mattack

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    NBC shows routinely have the end gag cut off.
    Discovery has end gag/summary (e.g. Mythbusters) on many shows.
    While I haven't recorded anything on it in a while, E! starts/ends shows a partial minute late.

    MTV needs ~2 minutes pre/post pad since their schedule is totally wacky.
     

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