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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Jun 24, 2013 #121 of 1049
    innocentfreak

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    Gift cards used towards a purchase don't get any points. They figure you got points by buying the giftcards.

    I believe they kept the 60 day.
     
  2. Jun 24, 2013 #122 of 1049
    Bigg

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    Interesting. Mine doesn't, at least the one time I tried it. I just ended up making a manual recording for the midnight repeat.

    LOL. Same here.

    Mine did not pick up the repeat. I stand corrected in general, but in the case that I saw, it DID NOT pick up the repeat.
     
  3. Jun 24, 2013 #123 of 1049
    Dan203

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    It should. Only two things would trigger this behavior. 1) If the same episode had been recorded in the last 28 days. 2) The original air date is more then 2 weeks prior to the current date.

    I had a problem once with it not recording an Showtime show and when I looked at the data I saw that even though the episodes were new all the data had an original air date of a couple months prior so TiVo thought it was old. Like everything on TiVo it depends on good data. Without good data the whole system can be unpredictable.
     
  4. Jun 24, 2013 #124 of 1049
    tomhorsley

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    I don't suppose there is any chance new DVRs will have at least gigabit ethernet is there? It would be nice to take less than 20 minutes to download a recorded show.
     
  5. Jun 24, 2013 #125 of 1049
    Dan203

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    The slowness when transferring to a PC is caused by the CPU not the network speed. When you download a show to a PC TiVo applies encryption to the stream on the fly. This process requires CPU cycles to accomplish. In the past every new generation of TiVo has seen a bump in transfer speeds because they also go a CPU bump. This next generation shouldn't be any exception.
     
  6. Jun 24, 2013 #126 of 1049
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    I agree with everything you said, from the three specific boxes to the tuner configurations and prices.

    Also, for people who say 6 tuners are overkill. The implementation of the TiVo Mini without dynamic tuner allocation essentially wastes any extra tuners. It barely breaks even.

    6 tuner digital cable DVR with beefier processor and (hopefully) built in stream will be what I've waited for since I first bought my Premier on launch day. Paying $800 for one of those boxes is a no brainer considering how long TiVo wait to iterate.
     
  7. Jun 25, 2013 #127 of 1049
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    I would be surprised if TiVo raises the entry point for their service to $300. They are currently selling the Premiere 4 + Mini Bundle for $270.

    I'm expecting the new 4-tuner to start at a subsidized $249 with a 500 GB drive. A 4-tuner with a larger drive for $350. 6 tuner with built-in Stream for $400 and larger drive for $500.
     
  8. Jun 25, 2013 #128 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I think they may even lower the price for the 4 tuner to get the price of entry down to where the current 2 tuner box is. TiVo still needs to compete with cable DVRs. If their cheapest box is $250 + service I think that will turn a lot of people away. I'm betting it's in the $150-175 range.
     
  9. Jun 25, 2013 #129 of 1049
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    I hope you are right and agree with you. Perhaps they figured out a way to lower the cost of the 4-tuner box. They've figured out how to make the Mini for a subsidized $99 so perhaps they can make the 4-tuner for a subsidized $149. IMHO, a 4-tuner with built-in WiFi and NextGen performance for $149 + service would sell very well.

    Does everyone expect them to keep the Premiere name?
     
  10. Jun 25, 2013 #130 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I did initially, but now I'm not sure. If they were just adding a 6 tuner unit then a Premiere XL6 wouldn't conflict with the current line. But if they also have a 4 tuner then they almost have to change the name to avoid confusion. Maybe they'll call it Premiere Next, or something like that. :)
     
  11. Jun 25, 2013 #131 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    Or the TiVo One or TiVo 5.
     
  12. Jun 25, 2013 #132 of 1049
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    I was thinking they could leave the name of the 4-tuner alone and rename the 6-tuner with built-in Stream the TiVo One.

    I wouldn't be against renaming the 4-tuner as well since it supposedly has built-in WiFi and additional functionality.

    I do see the confusion element so maybe it should be the Premiere 4S, Premiere XL4S, Premiere 6, and Premiere XL6...
     
  13. Jun 25, 2013 #133 of 1049
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    What if they offer a stripped version of the 4 tuner? Drop the WiFi so it is only on the XL version and 6 tuner models. Or on the stripped version include wifi but drop OTA. 500gb drives have probably fallen even more so they should be able to get a $199 pricepoint at least.
     
  14. Jun 25, 2013 #134 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I think stripping things like that might actually cost more. When you strip things like that you have to do a whole separate production run. When all they do is vary the HDD size it's something that can be adjusted for during the assembly process.
     
  15. Jun 25, 2013 #135 of 1049
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    I hope at least one Series 5 box has OTA and cable combo support (4 tuners each would be ideal). I'm OTA right now, but that may change in the future. I'd hate to buy a product that doesn't give me the flexibility to change my mind.
     
  16. Jun 25, 2013 #136 of 1049
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    If you drop OTA, you would have a Premiere 4 with built-in wi-fi. I doubt there is a huge market for that.
     
  17. Jun 25, 2013 #137 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I'm pretty sure that's the plan. At least based on the FCC filings.
     
  18. Jun 25, 2013 #138 of 1049
    innocentfreak

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    Correct which would be replacing the outgoing Premiere 4 and allow them a starting unit at $199. For those that want OTA they then have a Premiere 4 with OTA at $249-$299.

    Also the cable companies who opt for the 4 tuner model wouldn't need the ones with OTA.
     
  19. Jun 25, 2013 #139 of 1049
    bradleys

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    Which goes back to my original estimates:

    P5 - 4 Tuner Cable only @ $199
    P5 - 4 Tuner Cable w/OTA @ $249
    P5 - 6 Tuner Cable only @ $349
    P5 - 6 Tuner XL Cable only @ $449 (with built in stream)
     
  20. Jun 25, 2013 #140 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I don't think there are going to be separate 4 tuner units, one with and one without OTA. Right now they have two hardware platforms, the 2 tuner and the 4 tuner. For the next gen I expect the same thing but 4 tuner and 6 tuner. Creating a bunch of variants not only increases production costs (they have minimum runs for each unit) but it creates customer confusion. It would be better if they can figure out a way to manufacture a unit with cable and OTA cheap enough that it can be the entry level unit.

    As for their MSO partners... They use the 2 tuner Premier now, which supports OTA, and have no problem with it so I don't think they would care if the new unit also supported OTA. And if they did TiVo could always offer them the option to disable OTA via software.
     

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