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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Jun 23, 2013 #81 of 1049
    Bierboy

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    Um.....that's exactly what I said here.
     
  2. Jun 23, 2013 #82 of 1049
    mr.unnatural

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    Counting available sideband channels, I have well over 40 OTA broadcast channels in my area (I'm between Baltimore and D.C.). I've got duplicate channels for ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, and the CW as well as at least five PBS channels and about a dozen ethnic channels and a few independents thrown into the mix. I limit most of my recording to the five main channels with an occasional PBS broadcast. Once in a while I'll see an old TV show broadcast on one of the side channels I'd like to watch, but they're usually in standard definition. Just about all of these channels are also available on FIOS, but I prefer to record from OTA because it's a slightly better picture. Otherwise, I'd probably need even more cablecard tuners than I already have.
     
  3. Jun 23, 2013 #83 of 1049
    Dan203

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    You specifically say you limit your recordings to the 5 major networks, with an occasional recording from PBS or a sideband channel. So why would you need more then 6 tuners? Are you padding everything and creating conflicts that way?

    With only 5 major networks, and everything on cable being repeated adnasium, I can't see why anyone would ever need more the 6 tuners. Maybe a family who all want to watch live TV via Minis in seperate rooms, but for one person recording, even a serious couch potato, it seems like 6 is the magic number.
     
  4. Jun 23, 2013 #84 of 1049
    mr.unnatural

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    The comment was with regard to available OTA channels in my area. I also record from at least a half dozen or so cable network channels, like SyFy, USA, FX, TNT, AMC, A&E, etc., so I may have more than six tuners in use at any given time. Six of each type is the real magic number since I record from two different sources. I could probably get by with only four ATSC tuners, but the extra ones are just cheap insurance. Of the 17 tuners I have available, five of them are shared with other PCs and are rarely used by the primary HTPC.

    I have my series recordings (aka season passes) set up primarily for new recordings only, so any show that airs beyond the original air date is considered a repeat. However, if something happens and the show can't be recorded in the initial time slot, WMC will reschedule it automatically and pick it up when it airs again. And yes, I do pad every single recording. With a sufficient number of tuners, there are no conflicts. The number of tuners I have may be considered overkill by some, but I can say with a high degree of confidence that I will never miss a recording due to a lack of available tuners. Making the same claim just using Tivos would require a considerably higher monetary investment. Of course, you'd have to purchase older model Tivos to get OTA recording capability since Tivo has seen fit to eliminate that function from current models.

    I'm the only one that watches and records from the primary HTPC. The wife uses a set top box in the bedroom and a small HTPC in the family room that uses a SiliconDust HDHomeRun Prime for a TV signal. Both my kids are out of college and living on their own so it's just the two of us.
     
  5. Jun 23, 2013 #85 of 1049
    slowbiscuit

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    I have a 4-tuner Elite and never miss a recording due to lack of tuners. And I pad pretty much every recording too. But I'm with Bierboy here, just me and the wifey watching shows so the box rarely has all 4 red lights on. 17 tuners is beyond overkill for two people because you can't possibly watch all that crap IMO, but to each his own.
     
  6. Jun 23, 2013 #86 of 1049
    Bigg

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    That's an excellent point. I do find, however, that even with relatively short-term viewing, stuff can accumulate pretty quick, although it's also usually pretty easy to delete stuff as well that's no longer relevant or whatever.

    The one time that I find disk space is in need in a really big way is during the Olympics, where there are hundreds upon hundreds of hours of content, and it's nice to have it all to DVR through fast and catch bits and pieces of different sports.

    I'd agree that the average TiVo user doesn't need more than 6 (maybe even 4) tuners. However, I would also say that TiVo sucks at getting the repeats. If you have a show at lower priority on a cable channel that doesn't have a tuner to record, TiVo is too dumb to pick up the second showing at midnight or whatever.

    That's an extreme usage scenario.
     
  7. Jun 23, 2013 #87 of 1049
    innocentfreak

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    What are you talking about? Mine picks up the midnight repeats constantly.
     
  8. Jun 23, 2013 #88 of 1049
    SullyND

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    Isn't the point of six tuners to support their whole home initiative? 6 tuners isn't a ton if you have two or more minis tying them up.
     
  9. Jun 23, 2013 #89 of 1049
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, I can't ever recall a case of this happening...
     
  10. Jun 23, 2013 #90 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    Same here.

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    Mon 06/24/13 11:59 PM	 Warehouse 13 [Ep 419] - Lost & Found	 874=SYFYHD	 1:01
    I have an FRO SP for "Warehouse 13" and there is a conflict with higher priority items for the initial 10PM showing.

    There is some stupidity in evidence here, but it isn't with the TiVo scheduler.
     
  11. Jun 23, 2013 #91 of 1049
    Dan203

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    Hopefully by the time the 6 tuner unit hits they will also have the software ready for dynamic tuner allocation for the Mini, so you wont have to actually dedicate a tuner for each Mini. If that's the case then all 6 tuners would be available for recording as long as a Mini wasn't actively being used to watch live TV. That's the ultimate setup that should appease all but the most hard core users.
     
  12. Jun 23, 2013 #92 of 1049
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    The only problem I see with that is what happens if all 6 tuners are recording and someone tries to watch a live program on the mini.

    Bob
     
  13. Jun 23, 2013 #93 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I assume it will work like it does now and prompt them to either keep recording or cancel the recording to watch live TV. That's what would happen if you tried to change the live Tv channel on the TiVo itself.
     
  14. Jun 23, 2013 #94 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    Couldn't you sort of "fake" it now by not allocating any tuners to the mini and simply start a recording and stream it if you want to watch something.
     
  15. Jun 23, 2013 #95 of 1049
    Dan203

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    Yes you could. That's how the Stream does "live TV".
     
  16. Jun 23, 2013 #96 of 1049
    Bierboy

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    Me three...
     
  17. Jun 23, 2013 #97 of 1049
    sneagle

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    When will the conjecture end and TiVo announce--thus ending this round of arguing but starting the next round of complaints??
     
  18. Jun 23, 2013 #98 of 1049
    Dan203

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    Not until the FCC approves thier request. Even then probably not until it's actually available because they don't want to hurt sales of current units.
     
  19. Jun 23, 2013 #99 of 1049
    mr.unnatural

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    The number of tuners required is whatever the user deems necessary to satisfy their viewing habits. There is no set number of tuners that is ideal for everyone, but if you only need two or four then you're all set. Not that I have to justify the number of tuners I have, all 17 tuners are available to a single PC, but all of them are not used by that PC. The five HDHR tuners are shared with other PCs. I wouldn't even have the HDHR tuners in the mix for the main HTPC, but it's more trouble than it's worth to have to disconnect them when I run WMC setup for the TV signal so they are included by default. Of the remaining eight cablecard tuners installed in the HTPC, I generally only use six of them at any given time.

    The InfiniTV4 was the only PCI-e cablecard tuner available so I needed two of them to meet my minimum requirement of six. I didn't have the option to get only six PCI-e tuners of this type. All four of the ATSC tuners get used quite frequently so out of the twelve tuners installed in the HTPC, at least ten of them are put into service on a regular basis. Hardly what I would consider overkill in light of the way they're being used.

    FWIW, I do watch everything I record as well as several shows I download from the internet, and once in a while I even get to sneak in a movie or two.:D

    And finally, I have 17 tuners because I can. Suck it.:p
     
  20. Jun 24, 2013 #100 of 1049
    rogmatic

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    I am really curious about what mr. unnatural does for a living.
     

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