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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Aug 20, 2013 #941 of 1049
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Just TiVo handing out friendly advice in their FAQ's. Supposed too, blah, blah - this is easier and correct.
     
  2. Aug 20, 2013 #942 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    If the FCC regulations are still in affect, then it is certainly not correct and TiVo is enabling some cable operators to rip people off. As of November 2011, the regulations not only require all cable operators to allow self-install of CableCARDs, they must explicitly inform customers of this option. The only exception to this rule is "...if your equipment manufacturer or vendor does not provide you with instructions on how to install a CableCARD and offer a toll-free telephone number for product support."
     
  3. Aug 20, 2013 #943 of 1049
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I thought the rule was that they are required to offer self installs of CableCARDs if they offer self installs of any other equipment. If they don't offer any self installs then I think they are still allowed to require a truck roll. Also I think there are still a few small cable companies with exemptions. TiVo is likely just covering their bases.
     
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    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    That's exactly how I remember it being, and have not run across any chatter about it being changed (yet).

    The cableco's are fighting the integration ban (requiring that they don't integrate the cablecard functions as part of the unit, in a non-removable way). If there should come a ruling on the matter, and they accidentally word something wrong, or too loosely, then a loophole might give the cableco's a way to make it more like it used to be (good for them, bad for us).
     
  6. Aug 20, 2013 #946 of 1049
    b_scott

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    there's an eSata port, so that's instant expansion.
     
  7. Aug 20, 2013 #947 of 1049
    wco81

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    Any reason why they use eSata?

    I know Thunderbolt would be too expensive but what about USB 3? Drives are dirt cheap.
     
  8. Aug 20, 2013 #948 of 1049
    P42

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    Because eSATA is just an external SATA connection. They don't need to add any additional drivers etc to the code. For USB3 they would need to add drivers for each USB3 chipset they wanted/needed to support.
     
  9. Aug 20, 2013 #949 of 1049
    wco81

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    Hmm, why is that not a problem for computers and now even some phones and tablets with USB ports?

    You can buy any USB drive at Best Buy and plug it into a USB port and it just works.

    I can understand that USB 2 probably wasn't fast enough for video but USB 3? Or maybe the bus has the potential speed to support it but there's overhead or reliability concerns when it comes to sustaining some minimal threshold.
     
  10. Aug 20, 2013 #950 of 1049
    jrtroo

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    Asked and answered, see post 948. Its just plain easier and cheaper.
     
  11. Aug 20, 2013 #951 of 1049
    ilovedvrs

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    http://www.itworld.com/hardware/98987/usb-30-vs-esata-is-faster-better

    "Now, eSATA can handle 300 MBps (MegaBytes per second) and USB 3.0 can wheel and deal up to 625 MBps."

    "In both cases the real world results were quite a bit slower than their theoretical bests. With reads, my USB (3) drive averaged 90 MBps, while the eSATA drive came in at 75 MBps. When it came to writing to the disk eSATA still processed data at 75 MBps while the USB drive dropped to 62 MBps."
     
  12. Aug 20, 2013 #952 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    I've never used an external hard drive with a TiVo since that is another point of failure. Plus with the external drive, if it goes belly up you lose all your recordings, from both the internal and external drive. Unless things are different for the Roamio boxes.

    That is one feature where the cable companies seem to have done a better job. Since many of them will not lose the recordings on the internal drive if the external one goes belly up.
    I've always opted for a larger internal drive than using an external drive to increase storage.

    Although I really need a minimum of 3TB of storage. So I either need to be able to expand the Plus Roamio or I have to bite the bullet and just pick up a Pro Roamio.
     
  13. Aug 20, 2013 #953 of 1049
    Philmatic

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    USB 2.0 is plenty fast for TiVo recording.

    The reason eSATA was chosen was for technical reasons, it provides direct communication to the hard drive which is required for security and encryption. They can possibly provide this over USB 3.0, but why? There is absolutely no benefit to using USB 3.0 and eSATA already supports what they need and is more efficient.
     
  14. Aug 20, 2013 #954 of 1049
    b_scott

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    USB 3.0 = a connection that doesn't easily just fall out of the connector. I hate eSata for that.
     
  15. Aug 20, 2013 #955 of 1049
    atmuscarella

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    I think for many people the issue isn't really eSata vs USB but more the way TiVo handles exterior storage. At least that is the issue I have, I don't want my exterior storage married to my internal hard drive. I just want it to be an optional storage location and I want to be able to fill as many exterior drives as I want just by plugging them in and moving shows onto them.
     
  16. Aug 20, 2013 #956 of 1049
    rainwater

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    Cablelabs will not allow that. The limitation is not TiVo's fault.
     
  17. Aug 20, 2013 #957 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    That was the rule that went into affect in August 2011. It became applicable to all cable operators in November 2011.

    From the FCC web site (empassis mine):
     
  18. Aug 20, 2013 #958 of 1049
    b_scott

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    also, it's no different than running some drives in a RAID0 config in a PC. You can't just remove one.
     
  19. Aug 20, 2013 #959 of 1049
    wco81

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    If you fill up drives with recordings and you for some reason drop cable, are you still able to view the recordings without a Cable Card?
     
  20. Aug 20, 2013 #960 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    Yes. At least i could with my Premiere boxes.
     

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