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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Aug 19, 2013 #881 of 1049
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I wish the Plus had a 2TB drive instead of 1TB then I wouldn't need the Pro. But as it is now my Elite is 63% full and it has a 2TB so the 1TB drive in the Pro isn't enough. I guess I could get an eSATA but it's cleaner to just pay for the 3TB Pro.

    I'm guessing that an Elite with Lifetime and 1.5 years of extended warranty left probably wont go for more then $500-$600, so this is still going to be a big expense.
     
  2. Aug 19, 2013 #882 of 1049
    sbiller

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    I wonder if we should make anything of this difference in the wording about connecting to the Mini's?

    I would be very surprised if Dynamic Tuner Allocation was supported only in the 6-tuner boxes...
     
  3. Aug 19, 2013 #883 of 1049
    Dan203

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    You'd be surprised if DTA was supported on the 6-tuner? Why? It should be supported on all TiVos.
     
  4. Aug 19, 2013 #884 of 1049
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    Hoping this release puts a lot of 4's and XL's on the market so I can pick up my first TiVo lol
     
  5. Aug 19, 2013 #885 of 1049
    sbiller

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    Just think the wording on the 4-tuner is odd compared to the 6-tuner. I expect it's just inconsistent wording.
     
  6. Aug 19, 2013 #886 of 1049
    innocentfreak

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    If they had a XL4 I would consider that at this point even though 6 tuners 3 TB is the model I wanted.
     
  7. Aug 19, 2013 #887 of 1049
    Dan203

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    That could just be the marketing. The 6 tuner is likely to be marketed as a hub/spoke setup with a single TiVo in the main room and multiple Minis in the other rooms. The 4 tuner, because of it's dual personality of being able to record OTA or Cable, but not both, might be more likely to end up in a multi-TiVo household.

    However I seriously doubt their actual functionality will be different. I suspect that once DTA is live the tuner allocation option will be gone and everything will just be automatic. The limit on the number of Minis that can access a TiVo at once should be either the number of tuners it has (minus 1 for the host) or whatever the limit on the max number of simultaneous streams is. (currently 3 but could be more on the 6 tuner if the hardware can handle it)
     
  8. Aug 19, 2013 #888 of 1049
    BigJimOutlaw

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    That reads to me more like maybe the 4-tuner model might not support more than one Mini, DTA or not. Another strange "wait for the official word" thing to add. The messaging may not be fully baked.
     
  9. Aug 19, 2013 #889 of 1049
    sbiller

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    Agreed. Thanks!
     
  10. Aug 19, 2013 #890 of 1049
    nooneuknow

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    Here's something to consider:

    Unless TiVo has finally started using AV streaming extensions, it doesn't matter how many streams the drive specs say.

    If they have finally started using AV streaming extensions, that means no more using non-AV drives for upgrades.

    All Premiere and previous TiVo models wrote the data to the drive just the same as a computer would write any old data. This was why we could use non-AV drives to upgrade them.

    Last time I looked, my Premiere logs all showed that even though the controller chip and drives supported SATA-2, the TiVo set the mode to SATA-1.

    I can't wait for somebody to do a teardown and spec-out on all the guts, as well as to see if TiVo finally updated their code to use the full potential, beyond SATA-1, and if they began using AV streaming extensions...

    A lot of people seem to think that just because there is an AV rated drive inside, that it automatically uses the AV streaming command set. So far, that's been absolutely wrong. Just like saying that you shouldn't use AV-rated drives in PCs. An AV drive in a PC runs in non-AV mode, just like they've been doing inside TiVos all this time...
     
  11. Aug 19, 2013 #891 of 1049
    NYHeel

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    With these terrible prices I'm going to wait and see if someone puts together a 3TB drive upgrade. Or maybe I'll just wait for prices to come down or promotions to come out. Wow is the price for the 3TB model bad. How are they going to sell a DVR for $1100 total. Maybe they'll lower their service pricing? I thought $400 maybe $500. But $600? That's horrific.
     
  12. Aug 19, 2013 #892 of 1049
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    Going to start scouring for my first TiVo. Looks like I will be looking for a lifetime paid XL or 4 version since prices should drop,
     
  13. Aug 19, 2013 #893 of 1049
    bareyb

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    I seem to be doing fine with ONLY four tuners on my Elite... Still... Six tuners would be better... Maybe I'll give the kids the Elite and sell my beloved Series 3.
     
  14. Aug 19, 2013 #894 of 1049
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    I'll be willing to fork out $800 for a lifetime Roamio Plus right away just to not have to deal with my laggy Elite anymore. 1TB should be enough space - certainly wouldn't be willing to spend $200 for 2TB extra. Kind of wish they had a cheaper 6 tuner model without built in stream since I don't have much use for that feature.
     
  15. Aug 19, 2013 #895 of 1049
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    being ota only, with 2 premiere's i dont see a need for this or the extra expense, even as a replacement.

    if we assume lifetime being $299 MSD, $500 plus a mini, its not worth it to me. Especially that i have no issues with the premiere's speed, functionality, storage or multipath/tuner issues others here experience. I already have a stream so that functionality is a wash for me and i use an appletv or roku for the streaming stuff.

    this thing better have some totally new and compelling software wise that is only in the S5 line that could prompt me to upgrade.
     
  16. Aug 19, 2013 #896 of 1049
    CrispyCritter

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    It's what TiVo has been doing for years. The top-of-the-line model is priced so TiVo about breaks even on it. Al the other models have substantial hardware subsidies on them. Historically, the subsidies have been in the 30-40% range when totaled across all the models (though last year was the first time substantially under 25% ever since they started building them). For instance, in 2009, TiVo received $42M in hardware revenues, while the cost of hardware revenues was $58M.

    So figure a bit under $100 for the extra disk, and over $100 in lack of subsidy, and you get the $200 price differential for the Pro as opposed to the Plus.
     
  17. Aug 19, 2013 #897 of 1049
    mrizzo80

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    A bit surprised the EngadgetHD podcast is happening tonight. With the rumors of the TiVo S5 embargo lifting soon I would've thought they'd hold the podcast til tomorrow night so they could discuss it.
     
  18. Aug 19, 2013 #898 of 1049
    innocentfreak

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    MSD is $399 now.
     
  19. Aug 19, 2013 #899 of 1049
    P42

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    Why don't you stick what your interested in buying in your sig? Also, there is a big difference between an XL and a 4, so be clear. And who knows someone may PM you. Regards.
     
  20. Aug 19, 2013 #900 of 1049
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    Can't wait for some people to get hands on to see if the lag is fixed or not. That was the biggest reason I got rid of my Premiere and went back to D*.
     

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