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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Aug 11, 2013 #701 of 1049
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    "Copy Once" does allow you to move a recording from one device to another provided it does not exist on both devices simultaneously.
     
  2. Aug 11, 2013 #702 of 1049
    sbiller

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    I hope TiVo chooses to exploit that provision.
     
  3. Aug 11, 2013 #703 of 1049
    moyekj

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    If I recall correctly it also means once moved to another device the CCI byte should then be changed to "Copy Never" so it can't be moved again.
     
  4. Aug 11, 2013 #704 of 1049
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    That's my understanding of it as well. Once means once, not just that it can't exist on more than one device at a time. I could be wrong. It does happen...
     
  5. Aug 12, 2013 #705 of 1049
    morac

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    I'm pretty sure that's not correct as any program tagged "copy never" can only be stored for 90 minutes before being deleted. Also by moving the program, it's not being copied, which is what gets around the whole "copy once" restriction in the first place. Remember the first "copy" in "copy once" is the recording, which is why no other copies are allowed.
     
  6. Aug 12, 2013 #706 of 1049
    Dan203

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    Morac is right. "Copy once" means that the original recording is the "copy" and it already can't be copied again. The loophole is that it's not being copied it's being moved. So you're not technically creating another copy, you're simply moving the copy you already have. This is sort of a gray area so while it can technically be done now, CableLabs could choose to clarify the rules and shut this feature down.

    Streaming outside the home is another gray area that we may see accepted or shut down, we'll have to wait and see how they respond if the feature is implemented.
     
  7. Aug 12, 2013 #707 of 1049
    HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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  8. Aug 12, 2013 #708 of 1049
    moyekj

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    I used wrong state name. "copy once" is promoted to "copy no more" (CCI=0x01) I believe. I used to have a link to the original 5C copy protection document but no longer.
     
  9. Aug 12, 2013 #709 of 1049
    CoxInPHX

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    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Agreed. It *might be* better for this to be clarified by CableLabs, the FCC, or whoever it is that needs to make it more ironclad, and less subject to interpretation.

    While that may shut down some things that are working right now, if it's working due to loose wording, and not what was intended, it *might be* better to clear it up now, and find ways to make it work as intended, or work within a new, clearer/cleaner wording (IMHO).

    I also foggily recall something about the recording being the "one copy", being said some time ago, now that it was brought up that way, again.
     
  11. Aug 12, 2013 #711 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I'm pretty sure that already happens when TiVo makes the original recording. The trick here is that it's not being copied, it's being moved. It's been a while since I read it, but I'm pretty sure there is nothing in the spec that specificly prevents a "copy no more" recording to be moved to another device. As lo as it's not accessible from both devices simultaniously.

    If TiVo wanted to completely protect themselves then they could do a bit by bit delete of the original as it was being transfered to the new device. That way they could truly say it was being moved and not copied. But really this all boils down to what cable labs lets them get away with.
     
  12. Aug 12, 2013 #712 of 1049
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    That would at least help justify the high monthly fees we pay.
     
  13. Aug 12, 2013 #713 of 1049
    HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    aaronwt

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    At this rate I might need to put up one of my Elites for sale this month. I should be able to temporarily cover some of teh broadcast network recordings from my OTA only Premiere. Or maybe it will just be better to wait until the S5 is released?
     
  15. Aug 12, 2013 #715 of 1049
    innocentfreak

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    You can shop their in store clearance.

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/TiVo%26%23174%3B+-+Premiere+XL4+High-Definition+Digital+Video+Recorder/3438692.p?id=1218402123343&skuId=3438692&strId=462&strClr=true

    If you repleace the strId= with your local store numbers you can see if they have any instock.

    Both Brandon and Citrus have them in stock in Tampa.
     
  16. Aug 12, 2013 #716 of 1049
    atmuscarella

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    Hard to know where the price of used Premieres is going to go. Depends on how much the Series 5 units end up costing and how fast TiVo clears out old inventory. Once the Premiere inventory is cleared out the used market will be based on the Series 5 costs so maybe it is good they are clearing out know.
     
  17. Aug 12, 2013 #717 of 1049
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    As programmers we think like that, but "Accessible" is very easy for TiVo to just drape an access layer over. Then it's immediately inaccessible, they do the proper "move" pattern (crc, copy, check crc on dest, delete local) and if any of that fails just show an error and make it visible again.

    Safer.
     
  18. Aug 12, 2013 #718 of 1049
    astrohip

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    We've drifted a long way from discussing the actual next-gen product. Nonetheless... a cloud solution is a no-go for many of us. It's one thing to access Netflix, it's another to actually have your DVR data in the cloud. Not only does this dramatically add to your bandwidth usage, you lose the instantaneous response of a local DVR. I have -zero- interest in cloud storage for my day-to-day DVR usage.
     
  19. Aug 12, 2013 #719 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    I would't mind having that option so that you could choose which recordings or SPs would use cloud storage. So for someone with no bandwidth caps I could see that as a possible option to keeps costs down. Then you get a TiVo with a smaller hard drive for a lower cost and store some of your recordings in the cloud. Of course it would also depend on what they want to charge for cloud storage and if there is some kind of limit on how long the recordings can be stored.

    It can certainly be done since BoxeeTV had cloud storage in their beta. But they also converted the recrodings to a lower quality and also lowered the audio quality to stereo. But it did work.
     
  20. Aug 12, 2013 #720 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I wouldn't sell anything just yet. We don't have an official release date yet and TiVo has a history of missing deadlines. What if it slips to next year then you're stuck without a TiVo for 3-4 months or forced to rebuy the one you just sold.
     

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