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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Aug 9, 2013 #661 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    I use kmttg for that. Easy-peasy.
     
  2. Aug 10, 2013 #662 of 1049
    b_scott

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    I assume the Mini, if not on the home screen, is taking up a tuner. If you want to free it up you probably have to close LiveTV. I would imagine it's a more direct feedback way to do it then how a normal Tivo works.
     
  3. Aug 10, 2013 #663 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    People use the recycle bin in a PC for things they want to keep???:confused::confused:

    I never heard of that before.:confused::confused:

    The recycle bin on a PC is trash. I wouldn't put papers I want to keep in a trash can. Why would someone put the digital versions of paper in the digital version of a trash can on a PC?

    I don't recall ever running into anyone that did that.
     
  4. Aug 10, 2013 #664 of 1049
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Why do you think it's called "RECYCLE BIN", and not "TRASH CAN", then?

    I worked in IS/IT for over 15 years. I used to get yelled at when I'd clear out people's recycle bin on their work computers during maintenance, for the very reason that I used for my analogy. I NEVER said I did it, just OTHER PEOPLE.

    I asked for the bickering not to start... Congrats! You win #1 "Just couldn't resist a cloaked effort to start a fight" award. :thumbsdown:
     
  5. Aug 10, 2013 #665 of 1049
    Dan203

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    There is really no reason to do that. TiVo will automatically delete the recording with the oldest expiration date if it needs the space. If you want to preserve something older the. You can just use the Keep Until option and it will move up the expiration date so that the newer recordings, with the older expiration date, are deleted first.

    Or better yet just get an eSATA hard drive and double your space then don't worry about it at all.
     
  6. Aug 10, 2013 #666 of 1049
    Dan203

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    No one really knows for sure, but I'm guessing that first off you'll only be able to steal a max of 3 tuners on the 4 tuner unit so there will always be at least one available to the host. If that tuner happens to be recording you can still watch it, but if you attempt to change the channel it'll warn you that the recording will be canceled. I assume any tuners taken by a Mini will simply be unavailable to the host. You wont even be able to select them via the UI or switch to them via the live TV button until they are released by the Mini.

    The host TiVo should be able to prompt the Mini user if it needs the tuner for recording. I assume if the user answers no then it will simply cancel the recording. Although it's possible it might ask all Minis, or maybe all Minis in order, depending on how much time it needs to make the decision based on scheduling priorities.
     
  7. Aug 10, 2013 #667 of 1049
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Dan, if you saw the way I use my TiVos, you'd understand. Most, like about 85% or more, of my recordings are set up to keep until I delete, in the SPM. I have my reasons. YMMV, and it all depends on how you use your TiVo. I know you've seen this subject come up in multiple threads, from multiple people. People who like to "manage" their RD folder get pounced on. The reasons for managing it, and making it more of a utility, than an otherwise useless folder, are many. Some just like to keep it empty, and would even like the option to just empty it with one command, just like a computer Recycle Bin (mostly for privacy reasons, like in a shared dwelling, or family setting, where the TiVos are on one account, and allow sharing of content, or even just one TiVo used by many people). TiVo gave us the ability to dig things out of other TiVo's RD folders. I like that. It does make me consider what I leave in those I use, though.

    I see the same people doing the pouncing, and it only is proof that they've seen the pros and cons, and just can't help but pounce anyway.

    Same people arguing over the same things every chance they get:
    RD folder
    Standby Mode
    Padding recordings
    The clip overlapping recordings option
    OTA versus Cable & how many tuners each should have
    Whether or not OTA is even worth keeping support for
    Blanket statements about any, or all, of the above (which are inaccurate)
    ...and so much more...

    One particular user, always inserts themselves into threads about problems, or software updates, always saying they never have any problems, or not whatever one is being discussed. If somebody questions them on it, then it becomes that they may have experienced some problems, but they were minor, and not enough to be a real issue (for them, anyway).

    I may not have joined 8 or 12 years ago. But, that doesn't mean I haven't been a long-time TiVo user, and long time forum lurker. I only joined when nobody else was asking a question that I needed an answer for.

    I don't have a time machine, I'm already here, so I'll be around until I either abandon TiVo, this forum becomes entirely useless, or I get kicked-out.

    So as to not be accused of passive-aggressive thread drifting, I will leave this fire to burn itself out (or will try to, provided I'm not provoked). It won't be long until some other debate takes precedence. Hopefully it will be a useful one...
     
  8. Aug 10, 2013 #668 of 1049
    Dan203

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    Whatever, it's your right to use your TiVo however you want. I just wanted to make you're aware of how the recordings are chosen for deletion. The rules TiVo uses for these things aren't always clear to all users.
     
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    SugarBowl

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    Any chance that the mini will work with a 2 tuner tivo once the dynamic tuner allocation is in place ?
     
  10. Aug 10, 2013 #670 of 1049
    atmuscarella

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    Sorry but I will have to disagree with you. Most of the things you posted were actually designed to give the user choices. However intentionally using a recycle or trash bin for storage is not the same. It is intentionally using a tool for something it was not design for. Its the same as using a hammer to swat flies. Yes you can kill a fly with a hammer but you might not like results. Intentionally using a recycle bin to store stuff will likely yield the same result.
     
  11. Aug 10, 2013 #671 of 1049
    jcthorne

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    Nope. As soon as the new series 5 units are released, almost all development for the Premier line will stop. If it has not already. Bug fixes only after that point is Tivo's norm.
     
  12. Aug 10, 2013 #672 of 1049
    jcthorne

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    Its called the Recycle Bin because Microsoft got sued by Apple in the early days of windows over the use of the trash can. Apple copyrighted the trash can....somehow seems appropriate.
     
  13. Aug 10, 2013 #673 of 1049
    davezatz

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    But what will it look like when it launches? A pal of mine sat in on a usability study at TiVo HQ and was bewildered by the various permutations and not impressed with the implementation. Perhaps what ultimately ships will be better implemented and more transparent to the user - obviously this person was knee deep in it as it was the focus of the study... and it actually didn't sound so horrible to me. I just wish when I hit the peanut power button instead of going to the TiVo menu, it went back to exactly wherever I was before I shut things off.
     
  14. Aug 10, 2013 #674 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    I know you never did it yourself I just never ran into in personally over the last couple of decades. My response had nothing to do with the TiVo Recently deleted folder only the recently deleted folder on a PC. And in your response you said not to bicker over the recently deleted folder. Which I did not. You said
    :confused::confused: My response had nothing to do with the RD folder. I never even mentioned the RD folder

    I don't care how you use the RD folder. I know people use it different ways. My GF always wants to keep it clear for some reason. Me I rarely touch it.

    Where I've worked people think of the recycle bin as trash. Both a real recycle bin and a digital one. People would think that once it's in the recycle bin it's gone. So I would show them all these files that had been accumulating that they thought were deleted. But I cannot recall ever running across anyone who used the recycle bin to save files. Again that has nothing to do with the RD folder on a TiVo.
     
  15. Aug 10, 2013 #675 of 1049
    Dan203

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    Technically it should be possible, but I'm not sure if they'll allow it because all of the marketing, including the box, says it requires a 4 tuner unit.

    That's not true. The Premiere and the new units will actually run the same software. At least for a while. They probably will stop developing for the Premiere units eventually but it wont happen immediately.
     
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    mattack

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    Good, you confirm what I've been trying to say all along. THUS, they will have to change the filesystem (which is part of the OS, at least from the black box perspective), and thus all of the hacking tools will be broken.
     
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    mattack

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    Argh, TLA overlap even within the same field.
     
  18. Aug 10, 2013 #678 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    The OS is linux. It is not the file system.
     
  19. Aug 10, 2013 #679 of 1049
    sbiller

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    Zatz tweeted this out earlier...

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    I'm hearing we could see an updated version of the TiVo desktop later this year that leverages personalized content stored in the Cloud. Initially, sources indicate the ability for a user to store content in the Cloud with access from iOS and Android. This could help further explain the Roamio naming.
     
  20. Aug 10, 2013 #680 of 1049
    bradleys

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    Cloud is interesting - but what cloud?

    Space that you pay TiVo a service fee for or can I use my own server?
     

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