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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Aug 9, 2013 #641 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    Unless things have changed, you can't even enable it unless the TiVo is connected to an HD TV.
     
  2. Aug 9, 2013 #642 of 1049
    lessd

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    I have one connected to an old CRT TV in a guest room and you can turn on the HDUI but why would you want to, but it does work, remember TiVo would have no way of knowing if you were using the component outputs that could feed most any HDTV in HD, they could only tell if your are using or not using the HDMI output.
     
  3. Aug 9, 2013 #643 of 1049
    Dan203

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    On the TiVo itself there is a TV screen size selection option where you can pick 4:3 or 16:9. If you select 4:3 and use the HDUI then the hole UI is letterboxed. This option is missing from the Mini. It can detect 4:3 or 16:9 via HDMI but if you use a component or composite breakout cable it simply squishes the HDUI onto the screen. I'm hoping they bring back the option, but if not then it will still work.

    4:3 is essentially dead so I doubt TiVo is going to put any real effort into supporting the SDUI or making the HDUI work without letterboxing on a 4:3 TV.
     
  4. Aug 9, 2013 #644 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    Nope, doesn't work for me. If I attempt to select it, I am informed that you must have your TV aspect ratio set to either 16:9 or "Smart TV" (the latter option doesn't even seem to exist anymore) and at least one HD output format selected.
     
  5. Aug 9, 2013 #645 of 1049
    Dan203

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    You have to select the 720p option. However if you use the composite video output it will always be down sampled to 480i so it'll still work.
     
  6. Aug 9, 2013 #646 of 1049
    CrispyCritter

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    But nothing prevents you from selecting an HD output format, and then, for instance, using the composite output. I think there are other tricks as well, but it's been a year for me since I did it. I ran the HDUI for a couple years on my old CRT. mostly in the name of a consistent interface.
     
  7. Aug 9, 2013 #647 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    It's not the output format that is the problem for me, it is the TV aspect ratio.
     
  8. Aug 9, 2013 #648 of 1049
    davezatz

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    Duke Nukem Forever! ;)

    I've seen several new WL screens, and they were all HD. I've been informed the settings remain SD. Not a big deal in terms of usability but indicative of TiVo's glacially slow development pace.
     
  9. Aug 9, 2013 #649 of 1049
    Dan203

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    Wish Lists, Browse by Time & Browse by Channel are the only non-settings related sections that are still SD. If they get those working then most people wont even notice the SD screens.
     
  10. Aug 9, 2013 #650 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    What about when browsing a Series 3 or earlier TiVo or a computer?
     
  11. Aug 9, 2013 #651 of 1049
    bradleys

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    ^^^this^^^
     
  12. Aug 9, 2013 #652 of 1049
    Dan203

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    That's a limitation of that devices software. The old S3 units do not support the newer MindRPC APIs required to display an HDUI for those devices. They would require a software update which is never going to happen.

    S3 units will start to fade away shortly anyway, so that problem will eventually fix itself.
     
  13. Aug 9, 2013 #653 of 1049
    innocentfreak

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    If TiVo ever rolled out an updated TiVo Desktop, I could see it supporting the HD screen when browsing the PC.
     
  14. Aug 9, 2013 #654 of 1049
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Yes, definitely something improved about this. While the S3 or HD is limited, and will likely never receive another software update, ever, there's no stopping the Premiere or Series 5 from being able to make it look better (I would think).

    So, we've heard that it's not possible due to the S3 or HD... Now tell me how a newer model wouldn't be able to make the "experience" better.

    Then there's the whole browsing computer part. There's a place where matters could be changed on both ends of things, right?

    Note: innocentfreak posted as I was typing this, so mine came after his.
     
  15. Aug 9, 2013 #655 of 1049
    rifleman69

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    Not true, you can turn it on for whatever tv you want.
     
  16. Aug 9, 2013 #656 of 1049
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    So you change your aspect ratio to 16:9, I've done it on a 36 inch CRT tv with a Series 3, a Premiere, and an Elite. HDUI works on a non-HD TV.
     
  17. Aug 9, 2013 #657 of 1049
    nooneuknow

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    The others are correct, in a few ways, from what I just tried. Force the TiVo to 720p (ignore the warnings), then use the composite output. It's 480i no matter what you set anything to. The final viewable aspect ratio is a combo platter of setting it on the TiVo in a way that the TV may be able to adjust with it's own zoom/aspect modes (if applicable).
     
  18. Aug 9, 2013 #658 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    To tell the truth, I don't really need to run the HDUI on that Premiere as I rarely access it directly. I don't believe I've ever actually watched anything on it in its current location. I don't even leave the remote out there. Anything viewed there is with someone else and the THD gets used for that. When I am watching stuff by myself, I do it in my bedroom on the other Premiere, which is connected to an HD TV.

    In any case, the impetus for this discussion was the possibility of doing away entirely with the SDUI. Still not sure they can do it unless they provide direct support for it on an SD, 4:3 TV.
     
  19. Aug 9, 2013 #659 of 1049
    ufo4sale

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    Just curious but with a 4 tuner TiVo and one mini if your recording on 3 Tuners and you have one free and the mini is watching live TV does that mean I can't watch on the 4 tuner TiVo? How would the 4 tuner TiVo know if the anyone is watching on the Mini and how would dynamic tuner make a difference?

    Thanks.
     
  20. Aug 9, 2013 #660 of 1049
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    OIC. The thing that scares me is dying of old age using the HDUI to clear the items I want out of my Recently Deleted folder. I use it like some use the Recycle Bin on their computers. I often put things in there I want to keep, unless I absolutely need the space, or might change my mind about watching something. I've deleted whole series, then when I ran out of things I felt like watching, I dug them out, easily, since I cleared the things I DID already watch, out. Digging them out is much faster with SDUI as well...

    Please (to all) let's not start the usual bickering over why anybody cares about the RD folder. All that matters is some users do. It's already been stated that some don't.
     

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