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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Aug 8, 2013 #601 of 1049
    mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    I was hoping the OTA model would come with Stream capability for when Android support finally arrives in 2016. :D The reason I've put up with such a buggy Netflix app on my Premieres is because I don't want to have yet another box to buy, plug in, and maintain.

    I suppose this makes sense for Tivo given hard drive size isn't much to differentiate models any more. If Netflix and Amazon streaming arrives on the Minis and these Roamio models, then I will likely upgrade.
     
  2. Aug 8, 2013 #602 of 1049
    atmuscarella

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    My guess back in post 25 was:

    "My guess for price is:

    4 tuner = $199 or $250
    6 tuner $250 or $300
    6 tuner XL model $399 or $450

    With Service costs at the current level."​

    Looks like the same ball park. I will likely pickup a new 4 tuner and sell 2 of my existing ones - hope it has better OTA reception than my Premiere.
     
  3. Aug 8, 2013 #603 of 1049
    sbiller

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    FWIW... it looks like DTA is still on track.

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  4. Aug 8, 2013 #604 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    Or will it support the mini like the current two tuner Premieres do? I can view the content from my OTA only Premiere on my two Minis. But I can't pair the Minis to the two tuner Premiere.
     
  5. Aug 8, 2013 #605 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    Holy crap!! If the six tuner box comes in at only $399 I will be doing back flips. That would be less than what I paid for my launch Elite and even my second Elite I bought six months later. And both of those were with 10% off coupons. Unfortunately BestBuy is stingy with coupons now, so I doubt I'll have one to use on the purchase of the six tuner TiVo.

    Plus September 30th? That would be the day after my birthday. If that is the release date then I know what birthday present I'm getting for myself.:D
     
  6. Aug 8, 2013 #606 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I would be seriously shocked if the 4 tuner box did not support being a Mini host and equally as shocked if it did not support MoCa. I think people are reading a bit too much into what's printed on that sticker.
     
  7. Aug 8, 2013 #607 of 1049
    Philmatic

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    Here are my guesses:

    I essentially agree with everything Dave has in his post, with the exception being that I think the Plus and Pro models are identical in every way, with the only difference being that the Pro will have a 3TB hard drive versus the Plus's 1TB drive. So they will both have MoCA, built-in streaming and both run the Broadcom 7425.

    Pricing will be as follows:

    TiVo Roamio (TCD846500)
    4 Tuner, Digital Cable & OTA
    500GB HD
    $199

    TiVo Roamio Plus (TCD848000)
    6 Tuner, Digital Cable
    1000GB HD
    $299

    TiVo Roamio Pro (TCD840300)
    6 Tuner, Digital Cable
    3000GB HD
    $399
     
  8. Aug 8, 2013 #608 of 1049
    mattack

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    OK, so then why the current ~2.2 TB limit per drive?
     
  9. Aug 8, 2013 #609 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    *sigh*
     
  10. Aug 8, 2013 #610 of 1049
    HerronScott

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    I'm guessing they are currently using MBR (Master Boot Record) partitioning which has a 2TB limit versus GPT (GUID Partition Table) partitioning?

    Scott
     
  11. Aug 9, 2013 #611 of 1049
    jcthorne

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    No MOCA, no mini. Still might but Moca is Tivo's preferred connection for the mini.
     
  12. Aug 9, 2013 #612 of 1049
    jcthorne

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    I hope you are right. I had hoped for a smaller form factor but that is minor. Any idea what hard drive sizes it will come with? Idealy I would like to replace my home theater Premiere 2TB with a new Roamio first. The others are all streaming boxes and overflow tuners for when the HT box is busy and they will likely not get replaced until later.
     
  13. Aug 9, 2013 #613 of 1049
    NotNowChief

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    I'm just hoping that the top-of-the-line model isn't above $399 to keep in line with their current pricing for the top model.
     
  14. Aug 9, 2013 #614 of 1049
    sbiller

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    Per Zatz, the 4 Tuner Roamio will have a 500GB HD but it will support an external hard drive as well.
     
  15. Aug 9, 2013 #615 of 1049
    series5orpremier

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    Ridiculous to expect the supposedly most cost sensitive customers to spend $100+ on a hard drive upgrade when it would have cost Tivo less than $15 to include the larger drive in the box to begin with.
     
  16. Aug 9, 2013 #616 of 1049
    ggieseke

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    It uses the ancient Apple Partition Map scheme, not MBR. The current 2.2TB limit per physical drive or partition is something in the OS.

    All of the MFS partitions are treated as one big logical drive by the TiVo software, even if they're spread across multiple physical drives. For a stock Premiere that means it's composed of what linux thinks are four separate drives (/dev/sda10 /dev/sda11 /dev/sda12 /dev/sda13).
     
  17. Aug 9, 2013 #617 of 1049
    jrtroo

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    Tivo owners are not the most cost-sensitive customers. For many that can afford a Tivo, the $100 is worth the convenience. For others of us, we will happily do it ourselves, if only for the redundancy of a drive on the shelf.
     
  18. Aug 9, 2013 #618 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    $15? The last 1TB drive I bought was around $50 on sale and the 3TB drive I got on sale was $110. There is much more retail price disparity between a 1TB drive and a 3TB drive than $15.
     
  19. Aug 9, 2013 #619 of 1049
    atmuscarella

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    I tend to agree the difference between 500 GB and 1TB at this point is very little. TiVo should go with just 2 drive sizes (like now) and it should be 1TB and 3TB
     
  20. Aug 9, 2013 #620 of 1049
    NYHeel

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    Right now there's actually a really high markup between the 2TB and 3TB drives. At least with the WD AV drives.

    2TB (WD20EURS) on Amazon is only $93 where as the 3TB (WD30EURS) is $147. Amazingly the 1 and 1.5 TB drives from the EURS family are actually more expensive that the 2TB version.

    They do have an AV drive that's $76 at 1TB. Their 500GB AV drive $65 so there isn't a big mark-up to go from 500GB to 2TB on the retail side let alone to 1TB. We're looking at an $11 retail markup from 500GB to 1TB. I feel like any DVR that wants to call itself modern or premium in any way should have at least 1TB in it. And Tivo sells their product as a premium DVR over the basic cable company model.
     

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