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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.
I wouldn't describe the experience of the Elite as horrible... the word I like to use is sluggish...
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We watch a lot of live TV and more VOD, On Demand, and Netflix than DVR-ed shows these days. And we also only have two "real" TVs at this time. I'll probably stick with my Premiere Elite. If Netflix and Amazon come to the Mini, I'll move the Elite to the basement as a headless hub and pick up a second Mini for the living room.
I'd say general usage is sluggish. Apps are borderline horrible. There's easily a 50% chance Netflix will make my system go unresponsive to my remote during a 42 minute program. Odds go up for a full length movie. I can't be bothered with it.
I gave up waiting and instead velcro'ed a Roku 3 to the back of my TV. It is very fast, Netflix and Amazon load in 5 seconds, and the apps haven't crashed yet. I'd love to not have to switch video inputs or handle a second remote, but the experience and extensive app options override that completely.
The S5 will help, but I'm still doubtful Tivo cares to thrive as an app platform on the whole. And even if it did, by the time that happens, they'll probably be selling Roku 5's with voip apps or whatever else.
So its beginning to look like the only Series 5 unit that will support OTA broadcast will still not support Mini's, will require external MOCA and will loose component video outputs. It also will not have stream capabilities.
Gee, Thanks Tivo for supporting OTA users. Not really sure this is any sort of an upgrade at all.
Call me VERY disappointed in this news. Its a Premiere with a slightly faster interface and less features. Its not even significantly smaller.
I don't see why it wouldn't support the Mini. But the other stuff, yeah.
I would say that depends on the app. I agree that the Netflix app is the single biggest problem. Its unfortunate that TiVo needs to rely on Netflix to fix the problem since they wrote the app. I would say the new MLB.TV app is an example of an app that works pretty well. I also think that Google has pushed some YouTube updates to the app. My recent experience with the YouTube app is pretty positive. Lastly, I think the Hulu Plus app is pretty usable as well. With all that said, the launch time of the apps is a problem and the overall OTT experience is much better on my Roku or ATV.
I believe that it is essential for TiVo to create a thriving app environment going forward. The processing power of the Roamio and Mini will help but they need to significantly improve the apps. If Dave's rumors about DIAL support are true that will be a first step in the right direction.
I'm also encouraged that TiVo is looking at Flash alternatives that offer higher performance apps --> http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9760826#post9760826
For a comparison between Adobe Air and NME see this link --> http://www.openfl.org/developer/forums/general-discussion/nme-vs-adobe-air/
I agree. I'm pretty certain it will support the Mini. It may not have embedded MoCA.
I just don't think there is much of a market for an OTA DVR and what market there is won't pay the price necessary for TiVo to offer a high end OTA DVR. I don't mind using a basic OTA DVR and another box or two to cover my other needs. I will be happy if my TiVoHDs work for another five years, I won't buy an OTA DVR. No other company is trying to make anything for the market either, so there must not be a market worth competing for.
What have you seen that makes you think the base S5 will not support Mini in OTA mode? The Mini is designed to work with any 4+ tuner TiVo and the base Roamio (hate the name) definately meets that criteria.
Stream integration? You are correct, but you can purchase the Stream as an add-on box. Some used boxes should go on sale after the S5 hits the market.
Am I a buyer? That is an interesting question... I have never had that big of an issue with the performance of my Premier and I don't use a lot of OTA apps and if I did a $99 Roku is a better investment.
The big push for me would be the Hub and Spoke implementation. I have six tuners accross three TiVo's. It would be nice to consolidate those tuners into one box (effectively bringing the cooperative tuner allocation I have wanted) and use a few Mini's.
So - I won't be a fast adopter, but I will probably upgrade.
Dave just sent out a tweet about possible pricing.
$199 and $399 with a September 30th release date.
I know in the past we discussed $199 for the 4 tuner as a sensible goal for TiVo.
$399 is hopefully the 3TB model, but I would guess it is the base 6 tuner with the Pro going for $499 like the Elite launched.
These may both be placeholders in the system... although I'm more confident about the pricing, less confident about the date - which may be earlier. (Edit: And of course we're still missing one price. Wonder how long the Premiere will carry on - a few months?)
The date makes sense if they want to debut it at CEDIA the week before. The Elite launched around the same time.
Am I correct in my assumption on the pricing? Just saw your edit. I guess they could always offer the 6 tuner base for $199 and the Pro for $399 so maybe there are only two price points for three models.
It will be interesting to see what if any offers they have at launch for upgrades and Mini bundles.
Exactly. The extra two tuners in theory would be providing the streams to the Mini's the majority of the time.
Placeholders in the system would more fall along the lines of the prices that one sees new Apple products show up in the Best Buy system. The $199 and $399 sound legit.
I wonder of $199 to $399 is the range? That would be interesting...
P5 - 4 Tuner @ $199
P5 - 6 Tuner Plus @ $399
P5 - 6 Tuner Pro @ $499
Hopefully the DTA issue will be deployed by then so we actually "have" a 6-tuner box.
I can't imagine why the 4 tuner would not have MoCa. It's built right into the chipset. There would be no cost savings to turning it off. Maybe it's not listed on the label because that port can be used for either cable or OTA and MoCa will only work with the former?
I'm betting it is. This is something their MSO partners want as well, so I'm sure they're getting pressure for it on all sides.
$199 for the 4-tuner would be pleasantly surprising (I was expecting 300-400-500 price points).
Hopefully the jump from $200 to $400 doesn't just get the you the Plus model. $200-300-400 would sound good.