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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Jun 18, 2013 #41 of 1049
    swerver

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    I want to keep ota as an option even though I don't currently use it. I also might want 6 tuners... why does it seem like nobody thinks they would have a model with both? Esp. with the argument that without having to support analog, adding ota is very cheap, why wouldn't the top of the line box have it? Personally I'll probably skip 6 tuners if it means I have to commit to cable. I just don't like them enough to do that.
     
  2. Jun 18, 2013 #42 of 1049
    innocentfreak

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    Technical limits of the two chip tuner design. I don't have time to dig up the old details, but OTA is far behind tech compared to digital tuners. As a result it takes a lot more to add OTA.

    This is why the 4 tuner came out without OTA originally. They may have sourced a company to come up with an efficient way to add 4 OTA tuners.
     
  3. Jun 18, 2013 #43 of 1049
    Bierboy

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    I consider myself a heavy user, and I've NEVER had a conflict with four tuners. Since OTA networks are in such disarray with horrible programming, I have no need for more tuners. The cable nets re-broadcast everything...
     
  4. Jun 18, 2013 #44 of 1049
    swerver

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    Yeah I get by on 2 tuners right now, so I'm sure 4 will be plenty for me. I have a couple qam backups in my server but never use them. Just don't want to miss out on other features I may want but can't get without dropping ota option. I still have cable but can see a future where I don't. I love my tivo but it would basically be like signing a contract with comcast if I got a tivo without ota. Can't do that.
     
  5. Jun 18, 2013 #45 of 1049
    zalusky

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    If you leave Comcast - sell your box. Whats the big deal.
     
  6. Jun 18, 2013 #46 of 1049
    scole250

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    Does your HTPC support a tuning adapter?
     
  7. Jun 18, 2013 #47 of 1049
    Dan203

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    But with 6 tuners you could pad everything and still never have a conflict. :)

    For me the 6 tuner would be useful if they offer user profiles because then me and my wife could share a single TiVo. Other then that I don't really need 6 tuners, but I'll probably still buy one just for the faster hardware.

    As for pricing... Since all indications are pointing to there will no longer be a 2 tuner unit I'm betting the prices shift and the 4 tuner unit becomes the new entry level unit at around $150. However it sounds like the 6 tuner unit may be pretty high end, so there could be a bigger gap between it and the 4 tuner unit then there is now between the 2 and 4 tuner units.
     
  8. Jun 18, 2013 #48 of 1049
    Dan203

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    Yes they do
     
  9. Jun 18, 2013 #49 of 1049
    shrike4242

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    Good to hear that waiting until the fall might be a good idea after all.

    All of my four HD units have been replaced by PreXLs (3) or a PreXL4 (1), so my lone S3 has been soldiering on since 2007. It's been acting occasionally odd, so this fall seems like a good time to replace it.

    If the Pre5 in one of the models to come out supports the Stream functionality built-in, it's an instant sell for me since I know Android compatibility has to be on the way soon. A 6-tuner box would work well for adding two Mini units with an assigned tuner apiece and still being able to record 4 programs at once.

    Certainly looking forward to these new units coming out, since the Pre/Pre4 is getting a little long in the tooth.
     
  10. Jun 18, 2013 #50 of 1049
    mr.unnatural

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    Yes, I believe the Ceton InfiniTV4's do support tuning adapters. I'm not exactly sure about the SiliconDust HDHR Prime, but chances are it does as well. I'm on FIOS so it's a non-issue for me.

    FWIW, just last night I checked my HTPC and it was recording six cable shows simultaneously. It occurred at the top of the hour so it was recording the overlap for six different shows, but it illustrates how six tuners can easily be necessary. The thing is, this is during the Summer season and my recording schedule during the Fall and Winter seasons and much more congested, requiring even more tuners on occasion. However, many of the shows being recorded at that time are network OTA programs so I'm using multiple ATSC tuners in addition to the cablecard tuners.

    If you're only using four tuners then you're a lightweight by comparison. I'm talking about some serious spud time in the Lazy Boy, not occasional viewing. :p
     
  11. Jun 18, 2013 #51 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I can't keep up with what I record on a 4 tuner unit. I don't think I'd ever have time for what you record on a 11 tuner box.
     
  12. Jun 18, 2013 #52 of 1049
    steve614

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    I'm not getting my hopes up. TiVo's past record suggests the new unit will not be out until April 2014. :p
     
  13. Jun 18, 2013 #53 of 1049
    morac

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    I don't do this, but there are some people who record entire seasons of shows without watching it and then watch the first episode and delete the rest if they don't like it.

    Also more tuners equal less spousal arguments. :)
     
  14. Jun 18, 2013 #54 of 1049
    poofy

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    I think so too. I would say at the earliest for April 2014!
     
  15. Jun 18, 2013 #55 of 1049
    mattack

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    Do you ever need to add padding? While yes, they COULD do it better (i.e. 'share' the recordings when abutting recordings are on the same channel).. they currently don't (and I have no reason to believe they'll ever implement this)..

    But if one needs padding, which I need on a LOT of shows I record, 4 tuners doesn't really mean "4 shows at once".. It can mean "2 shows then 2 shows, each needing padding on end/beginning". Heck, 4 tuners isn't enough for me to get the late night talk shows fully.. it only 'works' because I allow clipping on those -- so that I get full versions of the 11:35 shows. (I micromanage the to do list otherwise to manually reschedule things that otherwise would be clipped)
     
  16. Jun 18, 2013 #56 of 1049
    innocentfreak

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    I do this. Anything that looks remotely good gets recorded. Occasionally I am wrong lol.
     
  17. Jun 18, 2013 #57 of 1049
    moyekj

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    I frequently need 5 tuners just for myself during prime time. Now my children are getting older they want more tuners for themselves too. A 6 tuner unit and more importantly anything faster than the current tortoise 4 tuner series 4 will be welcome starting from day 1 it is for sale from TiVo.
     
  18. Jun 18, 2013 #58 of 1049
    CoxInPHX

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    The SD HDHomeRun PRIME works very well with the Cisco TA. The TA is recognized and working in 3 minutes.

    The Premiere takes over 15 minutes to recognize my Cisco TA. Hopefully new hardware will be faster at TA connection time.

    I think moyekj said his Moto TA was much faster than the Cisco on the Premiere.
     
  19. Jun 19, 2013 #59 of 1049
    mr.unnatural

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    Ellicott...
    This is exactly why I have so many tuners. Right now I have three HTPCs, two of which share the tuners from my 3-tuner HDHR Prime (cablecard) and 2-tuner HDHR Dual (OTA). My primary HTPC has two InfiniTV4's and two Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250 ATSC tuners. The HDHR tuners get added into the mix automatically when I set up WMC, but they really don't get used by the primary HTPC. I manually configure each channel I record from to set the tuner priorities and the HDHR tuners get dropped to the bottom of the pecking order. They will never be called into service by the primary HTPC as a result. I could have limited myself to six cablecard tuners and four ATSC tuners, but Ceton hadn't come out with their 6-tuner model yet. I really don't need more tuners than that, but they're cheap insurance to avoid any potential conflicts and also allow me to pad recordings as I please.
     
  20. Jun 19, 2013 #60 of 1049
    NotNowChief

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    Is this still rumored to be out this fall?

    :rolleyes:

    Now accepting wagers for when we actually see the boxes, Fall '14?
     

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