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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Aug 6, 2013 #541 of 1049
    series5orpremier

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    If they don't give me the specs that I want instead of the cut-rate specs they tell me to take I'm not buying. Of course they could have avoided this mess by including OTA capability on the PRO which they're charging a premium for anyway, but that would have made too much sense.
     
  2. Aug 6, 2013 #542 of 1049
    Dan203

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    That may not be possible. There might not be an ATSC tuner in existence that can do 6 streams. Up until very recently there wasn't even one that could do 4.
     
  3. Aug 6, 2013 #543 of 1049
    series5orpremier

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    They maybe could have at least done separate configurations like on the baseline model - you get your choice of 4 OTA tuners or 6 digital cable; or 4 OTA/2 digital cable vs. 6 digital cable. Either that or do a "PRO" version of the baseline 4 tuner model. I would think tech savvy premium users would appreciate the option of viewing broadcast nets in pure OTA HD as opposed to compressed HD that many cable companies provide.
     
  4. Aug 6, 2013 #544 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I don't think there is a big enough market of OTA only users to justify those options. They likely did the 4 tuner unit in the cable or OTA because it was easy and cheap to accomplish. A premium OTA only unit would probably not be a big seller, and creating some sort of hybrid unit with 6/4 cable/OTA would just be confusing.

    As it is now the best you can do for OTA is 2 tuners, so 4 tuners is an improvement. You can also upgrade the drive on a 4 tuner unit via eSATA and add a standalone Stream to gain all the same features as the 6 tuner box. So it's not like there is really anything exclusive except integration.
     
  5. Aug 6, 2013 #545 of 1049
    NotNowChief

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    Specs Shmecs.

    I just hope they don't drop the ball on this with incomplete functionality like the Mini and Stream.

    If the Series 4 is the "800 pound gorilla of home entertainment", let's all hope that the Series 5 is not the "1000 pound Bigfoot of TiVo fans disappointment".
     
  6. Aug 6, 2013 #546 of 1049
    Dan203

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    That's pretty much a given. Since it will run basically the same software as those devices I don't expect there to be much improvement to functionality.

    Although in my case if it can just run the HDUI and apps as fast as the Mini I'm buying. Even if for all other intents and purposes it's identical to the Elite I have now.
     
  7. Aug 6, 2013 #547 of 1049
    tivogurl

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    It does make me wonder what TiVo's software budget is like. Their rate of output does an excellent simulation of a lone programmer working in a basement.
     
  8. Aug 6, 2013 #548 of 1049
    Dan203

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    I worked with their software development team like 6-8 years ago and it was relatively small. Given all the projects they have going at a given time it wouldn't surprise me if there were only 1-2 guys actually tasked to working on the HDUI.
     
  9. Aug 6, 2013 #549 of 1049
    sbiller

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    TiVo had 461 regular, temporary, and part-time employees engaged in research & development as of January 31, 2013 (down from 526 the year before). I would guess that approximately 50% of those employees are involved with software development. I expect we will see a further reduction in headcount this year since their R&D expenses are slowly decreasing.
     
  10. Aug 6, 2013 #550 of 1049
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    "approximately 50% of those employees are involved with software development" does not mean that they have 230 software engineers, after all someone must be doing QA, and other staff tied up in supporting these engineers. Still a decent number of eggheads.
     
  11. Aug 6, 2013 #551 of 1049
    mattack

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    I wouldn't call that exactly "embarrassing". Obviously they have to change the entire filesystem from underneath. Again, that makes all of our hacking tools WORTHLESS. (IIRC, even the current 2 TB limit is just by increasing the block size, so you're "wasting" space with small files, but obviously files are going to usually be in the hundreds of megabytes size nowadays.)
     
  12. Aug 6, 2013 #552 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    Considering that fact that, with weaKnees help, you can have a total of 4TB (2 2TB drives, 1 internal & 1 external) on a Premiere, I doubt very seriously if a filesystem rewrite is required. If the h/w supports it, all that should be necessary is a Linux kernel upgrade. Does no one remember the 137GB limit?
     
  13. Aug 7, 2013 #553 of 1049
    Dan203

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    TiVo has a lot of projects that could be encompassed under R&D. Several of which are contracted out to 3rd party development houses who probably count all their employees, so I don't think that really gives us much of an idea as to how many people are on the team that works on the HDUI. Honestly if it's more then a few people then they are doing a terrible job and managing their time.
     
  14. Aug 7, 2013 #554 of 1049
    Grakthis

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    No.

    There is no possible way they have even 15 developers writing software for the TiVo.

    Look man, I work with some big companies... and I am a developer... I do not think you understand these industries.

    I mean, I can tell you about a company that makes welders, smart welders at that, and they have literally one person writing new firmware. One. This is a company worth over 10B dollars.

    TiVo might have 5 guys writing new code, 3 of whom are working on new features and 2 of whom are working on bugs and updates. Then they might have 2 QA guys.

    I'm capping it there. If they had more than that, we'd see faster feature roll-outs.
     
  15. Aug 7, 2013 #555 of 1049
    MeInDallas

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    I'm actually surprised Tivo has that many employees, I thought it was probably around the 100 mark.
     
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    "Roamio" as in you can view your recordings while roaming around?

    So place-shifting capabilities of some kind? Or is it some web streaming stuff?
     
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    sbiller

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    Since they have embedded WiFi perhaps they can easily roam anywhere in the house?
     
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    BigJimOutlaw

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    I guess the data about the size was backwards. The "arching" box is the larger of the two, at 14.3". While the 6-tuner boxes are about 11.5" wide and 1.5" tall.
     
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    SullyND

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    I wonder if the Mini will be rechristened as Juliet?
     

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