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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.
I got a few Premieres then too.
Yeah but if you have more shows to record than tuners VoD is useful. Or if a show doesn't record. Or if you just heard about a show (before you thought about recording it) and want to catch up on a few past episodes. Also good for surfing once in awhile. Even more so when the Premiere debuted and it only had 2 tuners and had minimal recording storage as well.
In my experience people use VoD believe it or not. Crap interface and all. Hard to believe sometimes. But my point was just part of a larger post summing up why the Premiere launch was so disappointing.
My response was too your post where you where listing your issues with the Premiere with one of them being:
"You had to buy another $800+ Premiere in order to watch shows on a 2nd tv."
While I agree having to buy multiple DVRs can be costly you significantly over stated that costs ($600 or less versus $800) for a second Premiere.
I know people like to complain about the cost of TiVos but honestly I have owned 4 Tivos (3 new 1 refrub) with lifetime and the most I paid was $500.
I do expect my next one will cost more than that but I can live with it.
I use On Demand even more lately (I thought I would play with it a few times then grow weary of it), to get the HD version of something I Tivoed the SD version of (for space reasons).
Some of the On Demand shows have VIRTUALLY no commercials, after a few days. (They seem to be almost exactly as the original airing, then after a few days, are replaced by MUCH shorter versions with fewer ads.) ...and many shows, I can still record on my other recorder to skip even those ads. So at that point, I'm technically just getting widescreen, and not HD, but it's still better than the pillarboxed original recording.
With infinite storage, I'd just Tivo everything in HD.
Oh ok. But $600 is still expensive when it comes to outfitting your 2nd or 3rd or 4th tvs. It's why everyone is going towards whole-home solutions. Sorry the numbers I posted were higher than actual. No ill intent. They were off the top of my head. But the real numbers you've provided ($700 for 1st and $600 for 2nd etc) still aren't cheap enough to change the gist of my point. It was expensive to outfit your tvs with Tivos especially when you throw in the other issues listed.
Why not buy some large hdd's for one of your pc's and send your recordings there for storage? I just picked up a 3tb external hdd (to go along with my 2tb external hdd) for my HTPC and have it dedicated for Tivo recordings.
That pc also has a 2tb internal hdd dedicated for my Windows Media Center recordings.
I have nothing against VOD, I do sub to both Netflix and Amazon Prime. But dedicated storage is, IMO, better than VOD. It also creates less of a need for multiple Tivos (before the Mini was released).
Of course you are correct, that is exactly why I am a "multi-generational" TiVo home. But it is also why the Mini has been so aniticipated and (once DTA is implemented) will be the option of choice.
$600 for a full TiVo versus $250 for a Mini - yep, I will take 3 please.
With 2TB of storage, I don't find space to be an issue. I think we're at ~28% now, and we haven't cleaned anything off in like a month and a half. That, and if you're really hoarding crap, you can just move off to a PC for infinite storage.
EDIT: Update %
I did actually recently buy a 4 TB external drive to replace a 2 TB drive I managed to kill.. (I dded most everything to another drive, but it somehow lost its partition map, and I haven't yet tried to manually make the [Mac] partition map to see if I could ever then get recovery tools to see anything on it..)
This still requires 'some work' to manually copy stuff off fast enough to prevent things from being deleted. (My P4 currently has the stock drive in it.)
I will still probably try doing this at least for a couple of series.
A month and a half? How many shows do you record per day or week? I record A LOT.. All of the late night network talk shows (mostly for musical guests -- the one I watch fully is Letterman and even that backs up a LOT but I'm starting to eat into those with the summer being much lighter in new programming). But even nightly news -- daily (usually listen to the podcast, but I Tivo it because they seem to cut out anything vaguely pop culture related presumably due to rights issues), and still at least a show or two in primetime. That all adds up!
First of all, it's summer. Second, my roommate probably watches more TV than me. I have Rachel Maddow, Daily Show and Colbert Report all set to KUSN keep 10, so they're self-managing, and the other shows I watch aren't doing much now in the summer. It's also a 2TB drive, and with Comcast, which puts out 5.5GB/hr for HD with 3 HD's per QAM, we have well north of 300 hours of disk space to work with. There's a bunch of games and races and crap on there too. It's kind of hot in our basement, so I'll probably deal with it in September when there's more shows to record, the basement is cooler, and we get our 4th tuner back with DTA. I watch the weekly news and fake news shows in the kitchen sometimes while I'm cleaning/ prepping food/eating. I got the 2TB one because it's basically a bottomless pit. When it gets to 50 or 60% we'll clean it out and probably have it back down. When I was living alone, and I was good about deleting stuff, I think I would go back and forth in the 9-15% range.
Yes Summer used to mean there was not much to watch. But the last few Summers I've been recording and watching more programs than ever in my life for the Summer season. Summer 2012 I watched more shows than I did during the 2011/2012 regular TV season.
No manual work needed with KMTTG. Just set the shows you want to offload and the amount of time before it gets offloaded. By setting the time you can make it so the shows don't offload until they are at risk of being deleted but also so it won't offload shows you watch immediately.
A second vector confirms an earlier nugget I received and I feel relatively confident in saying the incoming 4-tuner unit will feature a smaller form factor than the 6-tuner or Premiere, but not trapezoidal like the Mini.
I'm trying to keep everything documented and organized here:
I wonder if you should add a blurb about RCN's Jason Nealis confirming a September "Upgrade will have a lot of enhancements around MultiRoom and around the way a tuner is allocated for use with the Mini." which is a little firmer than your statement that, " Its believed TiVos roadmap calls for dynamic tuner allocation to be enabled this fall, which would roughly correspond to the TiVo Series 5 release."
I wonder what other enhancements around MultiRoom besides for Dynamic Tuner Allocation? Perhaps some of the management items that were left off the original release?
Thanks, Sam - I've taken some of the vagueness out of the sentence and linked Jason/RCN. We have corroboration from another source that dynamic tuner allocation is already being tested, so that seems like a lock. I'm getting conflicting reports regarding the status of Netflix on the Mini, but that's not entirely relevant to S5 I guess.
I wonder why they would make the 4 tuner a smaller form factor. Maybe MSOs are asking for smaller boxes? I guess in some ways it might help on cost, but you would think making both the exactly the same would be cheaper.
"The 4-tuner model may feature a unique restriction in that it can be configured for digital cable, via CableCARD, OR for OTA, via antenna but not both simultaneously."
Uh oh. Prepare yourselves for pre-launch complaint #1. Personally, meh. A 6-tuner model has my name on it.
Thanks for the update Dave.
Yeah, sounds like they're cutting as many costs as possible as a new lower-end unit. Since both boxes seem to require unique manufacturing/assembly anyway, they might as well save on size/weight/power supply/shipping too.
Dave, is that render for real? That's kinda on the fugly side. Hope the end result looks better under different lighting.
STBs in general are getting smaller. I would not be surprised at all if MSOs were asking for smaller boxes. A TiVo Preview sized box would be nice.