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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Jul 10, 2013 #361 of 1049
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    He may not necessarily be trying to replace all ten tuners, just a better allocation of the tuners he has.

    That is the value proposistion of the Hub and Spoke vs a Distributed design.
     
  2. Jul 10, 2013 #362 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    My two Elites will be replaced by one, six tuner, S5 box. I'll still keep my OTA only Premiere. I'll have less tuners but as long as Dymanic Tuner allocation is implemented for my two Minis, I should have the bare minimum of tuners I'll need for my recordings.
     
  3. Jul 10, 2013 #363 of 1049
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    Then I don't understand why he has 3 TiVos w/10 tuners if he only needs 6 tuners.
     
  4. Jul 10, 2013 #364 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    Ah. If I had known that the Premiere was OTA only and that you were keeping it, it would have made sense.
     
  5. Jul 10, 2013 #365 of 1049
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    In my case it makes a lot of sense.

    I have a TiVo in my Family room, a TiVo in my Bedroom and a TiVo in my Media room that also feeds a TV in the game room. If I couldn't split the Media room TiVo I would need to add another box for that TV I would have a total of 8 Tuners.

    With a 6 Tuner TiVo in the Family room and 3 Mini's I could easily reduce the number of tuners. I do not use all the tuners, but I do need to provide a signal to all these nodes.

    And frankly, with 6 cooperative tuners I will get much more value out of the tuners that I do own.
     
  6. Jul 10, 2013 #366 of 1049
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    Our better yet if they release a S5 4 tuner OTA unit you could buy that and replace the Premiere also. Back to 10 tuners and all new latest addition hardware.
     
  7. Jul 10, 2013 #367 of 1049
    atmuscarella

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    I am all for TiVo supporting software updates for existing units but not moving forward with updated hardware would assure TiVo's failure. The Premiere's hardware is out dated and not able to perform the tasks and at the level that people want. TiVo needs to get an updated 6 tuner whole home system out there yesterday and an updated entry level 4 tuner combined OTA/Cable unit wouldn't hurt.
     
  8. Jul 10, 2013 #368 of 1049
    lpwcomp

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    Your case is different but while going to 6 cooperative tuners simplifies your "job" as it were, I do not see how you are getting more value.

    IMHO, it requires more than just dynamic tuner allocation in order for a mini to be a full replacement for a TiVo. You need to be able to start a recording on the active tuner and save the live buffer.

    Distributed processing has at least one advantage over hub and spoke - one less single point of full failure.
     
  9. Jul 10, 2013 #369 of 1049
    atmuscarella

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    That has always been my opinion plus with only 1 DVR you have limited storage without moving recordings to a computer (which isn't possible for everyone anymore). That said if they do release a 4 tuner OTA unit I will buy it and replace 2 of my current units.
     
  10. Jul 10, 2013 #370 of 1049
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    No offense intended, but you are part of the class of TiVo users/buyers "anomaly" I described, where you blindly buy whatever TiVo releases next. You then *seem to* always state you don't have issues that others report. If anybody calls you out on that, you then say that you might be experiencing some issues, "but, they are only minor ones".

    I'm never going to back down from reporting my experiences, and reporting when I'm not alone, just because you always are at the opposite end of the spectrum.

    There's NOTHING WRONG with what you do, UNLESS you set out on a crusade to convince people that based on your experiences/interpretations of what grade an issue is needs to be based on your own, thus *basically* telling everybody else their experiences/interpretations are wrong, with a very high bias.

    I do take the time to make sure that I "take it all in", and make sure that I'm not the only one who has experiences/interpretations of new TiVo products. I'm fully aware, that there will be defective units, which find their way to small numbers, and then it is only those unfortunate souls who suffer the worst.

    I'm still so intrigued by your bias, that I still wonder if you aren't part of a covert stealth effort to do PR for TiVo, under the guise of being an everyday Joe. Again, no offense intended. It just looks like PR, smells like PR, walks like PR, and talks like PR. I think we all know what the rest of that borrowed analogy ends with.
     
  11. Jul 10, 2013 #371 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    I mainly use my OTA only Premiere to take recordings from FIOS over to my GFs house. But it can also be used as a backup if my FiOS connection goes down.
     
  12. Jul 10, 2013 #372 of 1049
    aaronwt

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    I have not been called out on anything. If I notice any issues I have always posted about them. I have never said any TiVo was problem free. Heck I've never owned any electronic device that was problem free. Every device out there has has some type of issue, they are just typically minor issues. Of course it really depends on how you use the device. What is considered minor to one person could be considered major to another.
     
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    innocentfreak

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    I definitely agree here. The way I use my TiVo I never seem to see the issues other complain about. I also do things completely different then most people. KMTTG is my go to tool for just about everything.
     
  15. Jul 10, 2013 #375 of 1049
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I just want to say, I DO appreciate the civility in how you respond. I'm so tired of the trolls, politic-like ways that people tend to revert to, personal attacks, and how some act like a rabid dog, that has been cornered.

    This isn't the first time I've implied my suspicions that you are doing covert PR for TiVo. What stands out, is that you chose not to confirm, or deny it.

    I understand you may have your reasons. So, I'll try and back off on that matter.

    So, moving along, do you experience the major issue that others have reported, with the 4-tuner units? Do you get un-tuned channels, with black screens? Are you somehow blessed without having to deal with that? That well-reported issue has been the very reason I have stacks of 2-tuner models, and pay for twice as many cable cards, every month.

    After having to live with the, basically, same issue on HD units, which TiVo refused to acknowledge was even an issue, until they were certain they had a fix, which rolled out past the end-of-life point, I don't want to be thrust into the same situation, should I choose to move from 2-tuner, to 4-tuner models. Given the speed, more like lack thereof, of TiVo's fixes, from experience (which has been shared experience), that's the biggest step I'm willing to take, at this time. I'm unwilling to buy any newer product, on blind-faith alone. If others do buy the newest product, and report no such issue, and that holds for some time, then, and only then, will I consider a bigger leap of faith.

    If your units are so very well made, and so very well working, maybe I should arrange to be the buyer for your units, and put faith in you, and that you are telling the whole truth.

    Here's something I'd like for you to consider: If you were forced to ONLY run the software that came factory-installed on all your Tivos, would it change your perspective, at all? It's just a curiosity, and a well-thought-over, honest answer would be much appreciated.
     
  16. Jul 10, 2013 #376 of 1049
    innocentfreak

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    I can only say for me, but I have never once seen this issue on my Elite.
     
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    atmuscarella

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    I am uncertain what you mean by this, I was unaware that anyone was running anything but factory software on their Premiere units. Or are you talking about the stuff people use on there PCs?

    I don't have a Premiere 4/XL4 as I am only OTA but I have not seen many issues with my Premiere beyond not being able to deal with OTA multipath reception issues as well as the older Series 3 boxes do (as a side note my HDHomerun OTA tuner is on par with the Premiere). Even back when people where calling the Premiere a big piece of sh** mine was working fine. I will admit I continued to use the SDUI for a long time as I liked using the same UI on all my units but have finally moved to the HDUI even through I really don't care one way or the other about it.
     
  18. Jul 10, 2013 #378 of 1049
    ggieseke

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    I use my TiVos as DVRs and they do a pretty darn good job. My HTPC, smart TV, and Roku handle everything else. It's individual preference but I don't expect anything do do every job perfectly or to ever find a true "one" box.
     
  19. Jul 10, 2013 #379 of 1049
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    What I meant, and honestly thought was clear, is a hypothetical (since it's not possible) situation, in which the end-user could only use the software revision on the hard drive, at the time the TiVo was manufactured. No updates, just whatever software was originally installed, but with the ability to download guide data (minus any software updates), and keep active TiVo service.

    Each TiVo drive has a sticker on it that says what software revision was on the drive, before it was assembled into the unit, and shipped. In the case of a Premiere TCD746320, 2-tuner model, that would be 14.4 or 14.5, at the time my Premieres were completed assemblies.

    I'm sure some of us remember 14.4 and 14.5 software, and how crippled it was, in comparison to later *downloaded* versions, which are installed at the time of a TiVo Service connection, in the end-user's home, not at the factory.
     
  20. Jul 10, 2013 #380 of 1049
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I can also relate, and generally agree with this. Everybody is competing for the "One Box", that gets to be plugged into HDMI input #1. It's resulted in it being nearly impossible to buy any device that only does one thing (DVR/BD players, TVs, Game Consoles, etc.), which hasn't really done much for the consumer, looking for a DVR, that is the best it can be. There's too much dilution building in all the extras. That time and effort (and limited hardware resources) could be, instead, focused on being a better DVR.
     

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