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Tivo Premiere - No Cable Card? Just Analog?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by woodrufs, Oct 3, 2010.

  1. gamo62

    gamo62 New Member

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    As long as it is the Premiere /XL and NOT the XL4/Elite. The latter two have 4 Digital Tuners, and no OTA tuner.
     
  2. agredon

    agredon New Member

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    I get locals, C-SPAN, and one or two shopping channels...that's it. Comcast encrypts everything else.
     
  3. jcthorne

    jcthorne Active Member

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    The XL4 and Elite have 4 Digital Cable tuners and no OTA.

    The Premiere has 2 OTA tuners for both analog and digital. and 2 CATV, analog and digital.

    Almost all OTA tv is now digital. CATV is still mixed but the XL4 and Elite only tune the digital versions.
     
  4. jrmstr33

    jrmstr33 New Member

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    Any update on the QAM situation along with S3 and Premiere units? I have some rooms in my house that don't get good antenna reception and would love the guide data if at all possible. For now, I've been using the manual record feature.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  5. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    No.. you need a cable card regardless..
     
  6. wmcbrine

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    Recently, some people have found that an unsubscribed CableCard off eBay (maybe not even from Fios originally) is sufficient for mapping the clear QAMs. But I can't personally vouch for this.
     
  7. Bigg

    Bigg Active Member

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    So the OP was asking about a college dorm type of system. At my school, like many others, they still use a primarily analog system, with a few locals and RSNs in Clear QAM HD. They can't do ESPN, as ESPN is ridiculous about copy protection and won't let them Clear QAM it. It's a pure one-way system. There's no need for internet or telephone, since those are separate systems, and they don't have STB's, so there's no return path there. It's something like a 550mhz or 650mhz system, but they can push like 80+ analogs, since there's almost nothing else on there (a coupe of QAM's for HD locals).

    In a situation like this, TiVo wouldn't be able to map with Clear QAM locals/RSNs, although it would be able to record the analog channels.
     
  8. Boneless

    Boneless New Member

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    Sorry to revive a dead thread, but which forum or search can I find more about this? I have clear QAM interestingly enough through my cable coax and can map it on my tivo3 with the analog stations. Since the analogs have guide data I've been using it to make manual recordings off the QAM HD channels. Would love to make the data available on the tivo for those if possible.
     
  9. wmcbrine

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    I now can personally vouch for this. Thanks to a reminder from someone here -- which I can't find now; my apologies -- I ordered a card off eBay for my old Series 3. ($2.99, including shipping! Less than a month's rent on a CableCard through Fios.) It works.

    Also, a single card is sufficient for mapping clear QAMs for both tuners, even on an OLED Series 3. However, the guided setup process decides between single-tuner and dual-tuner mode based on how many cards are present. So, you need two cards for a proper setup, but can then remove one. (I've ordered a second card.) If you can skip guided setup (because, unlike me, you never re-ran it to select OTA-only mode after returning your old rented cards), then one card should be enough.

    This looks like a real answer to the perennial requests for clear QAM support that we see here. I'd bet that it will work for later models as well, but I haven't tested that. It's just too bad that we didn't find out about it sooner.
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    If you run GS with no card I think it has an options for "I will get cards later" which should allow you to set it up with both tuners without needing a second card.
     
  11. JimG19

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    I tried but it seemed to get stuck on acquiring channel information screen. How long did it take to map the channels once you inserted the card?
     
  12. philhu

    philhu User Since Day ONE!

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    I think McBrine is on FIOS. I am too.

    What does this buy you? Does it map the FIOS Clear QAM to the real channels and get you guide data for the Clear QAM?

    McBrine, what cards on ebay did you buy? Do you have a listing so I can see what you bought and find similar ones?
     
  13. wmcbrine

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    Literally no time -- the channels were mapped by the time it took me to check.

    Yes.

    To clarify, you get guide data for all channels -- it's up to you to figure out which ones are in the clear, and edit the channel list accordingly. (For me, that's SD locals and PEGs (1-49), HD locals (500-549), broadcast subchannels (high 400s), and The Weather Channel, SD only (119). I haven't found anything else yet.)

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Go...ti-Stream-Cable-Card-Mcard-TIVO-/370904327136

    It's the first thing that comes up if I search for "cablecard".
     
  14. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    My cable company just started simulcasting and in the process started encrypting everything except the local channel and a few basic cable channels. I know this because my Sister had a TiVo with a CableCARD that we never got properly authorized. Originally it only effected the Premium channels so she didn't really care. A few weeks ago she suddenly lost access to pretty much everything. As expected phone support was no help getting the card properly paired so we had to wait for a tech to come over so he could call into his special line and get it paired properly.
     
  15. wmcbrine

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    I put the second card in, and immediately had two tuners, no new GS required. Now I'm wondering what will happen if I take it out again...
     
  16. philhu

    philhu User Since Day ONE!

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    I just did this. Confirmed on FIOS in my area. I get same channels as WMcBrine as well as WGN America SD channel.
     
  17. wmcbrine

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    I was counting WGN as a local (it's channel 29), although granted, it's not local to me. :) Annoying that only the SD is clear.
     
  18. Doit2it

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    Will this work for Xfinity also? And would Xfinity notice the card thru their system if you don't call them to set it up? I've already ordered a M card via ebay. I'm only out $5 if it doesn't work. I'd LOVE to have QAM guide data on my old THD that had been banished to the back room. Thanks!
     
  19. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I will be installing an eBay Cable card in my old Premiere this weekend. (FIOS)

    I assume it gets more channels then an HD antenna would get me? It is on a tv that doesn't get that much use, I am hoping to use it instead of purchasing another mini.
     
  20. wmcbrine

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    It should. Just make sure the card you use matches the brand of card that's required in your area (apparently there are incompatibilities between brands). (And no, I can't tell you how to do that. In my case, I just got one that matched the cards I already had.)

    No -- the cards don't communicate back to the cable company. Anyway, it's none of their business.

    ("SD locals" includes WGN.) Also, at least for me, there's still no guide data for the PEGs. Plus, in my area, I get two markets via antenna, and only one of them via Fios. But, many of the broadcast channels don't come in reliably via antenna, and do via Fios. So it all depends on your situation.
     

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