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TiVo Premiere 4 officially announced

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by drebbe, Aug 16, 2012.

  1. h2oskierc

    h2oskierc I'm a 2-Tuner

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    Didn't the FCC say they could no longer do that???
     
  2. compnurd

    compnurd New Member

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    Correct Then can not require that. My local company tried to pull that with me.. I contacted the FCC and now have a letter from the cable companies lawyer saying they screwed up
     
  3. Finalrinse

    Finalrinse New Member

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    A year ago that's what they said. This Wednesday when my new TiVo arrives I'll see what they say. I'll report back
     
  4. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Active Member

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    My understanding is the that main DVR chipset for all the Premieres comes from Broadcom, and it can handle 4 inputs from tuners.

    The Premiere uses a pair of QAM digital cable hardware tuners and a pair of ATSC/NTSC OTA/NTSC analog cable hardware tuners connected to that chip and blends them together in software to make it act like two tuners which can each tune from any source. (I believe, if TiVo wanted to, they could, with a software change, allow you to record up to four things at once with a normal Premeire, but because of the limited hardware nature of the tuners 2 would have to be from cable and 2 from over-the-air/analog. What they can't do with software is make the ATSC tuner record from digital cable (QAM))

    The Premiere 4 and Premier 4XL/Elite have four QAM tuners connected to that same DVR chipset but software exposes all four tuners.

    If someone came out with cheap hardware that could tune from ATSC/NTSC/QAM then TiVo might well offer a quad tuner box that could record from any source. Or if Broadcom's next DVR chipset offered 6 or 8 tuner inputs then TiVo might expand their options that way.
    From what I understand the JMFS appears to understand the Elite/XL4 drive, but since the Premieres can only support up to 2 TB in a single drive it's kind of pointless to use JMS because you can't actually upgrade it's stock drive.

    But JMFS should work to upgrade a Premiere 4's drive with one up to 2 TB.
     
  5. Finalrinse

    Finalrinse New Member

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    I will be trying this tomorrow and will report back my results.
     
  6. kupe

    kupe Viva 'la Tivolution!

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    Interesting. We currently have a Tivo HD with one Comcast M card. Can we transfer the M card to a new Tivo 4 ourselves, or does this require a truck roll?

    Thanks!

    Kupe
     
  7. kupe

    kupe Viva 'la Tivolution!

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    Hey gang-

    Our beloved TV HD is showing signs of nearing the end...like needing hourly reboots. Luckily I'm almost sold on a new Tivo 4...

    Curious if our WD My DVR Expander (1TB) will work with a new Premiere or Tivo 4?

    Thanks!

    Kupe
     
  8. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    You have to at least call your cable company and get it re-paired with the new TiVo.

    You definitely would lose all programming on it (and the original Tivo).
     
  9. don129

    don129 New Member

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  10. chiguy50

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    YMMV, but you should be able to move the CC to the new box yourself and, once you accomplish set-up of the new box, it should receive all your non-premium authorized channels without pairing. The card will have to be paired to the new box for premium channels and VOD or other interactive cable services. But, barring complications, re-pairing should not require more than a telephone call to Comcast (1-877-405-2298).
     
  11. bmgoodman

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    What's the age of the expander? If it fails, don't you lose *all* your recordings? If yes, and it's as old as your Tivo HD, I'd be wary.
     
  12. kupe

    kupe Viva 'la Tivolution!

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    Thanks everyone!

    Kupe
     
  13. kupe

    kupe Viva 'la Tivolution!

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    Lemme think...we bought the Expander to record tons of the 2000 Winter Olympics, so just over 2 1/2 years old.

    Yes, you're correct in that if the external dies, it takes all your recordings. I guess I was mostly curious if the My DVR Expanders of that vintage work at all with Premieres or Tivo 4s.

    Thanks!

    Kupe
     
  14. moedaman

    moedaman New Member

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    But honestly, it might be worth paying for a truck roll. Especially if you're a first-timer. Cable cards can be flakey and a tech will usually have more than one card on hand, or can quickly get another card, if the initial card being installed is bad.
     
  15. jrm01

    jrm01 New Member

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    I couldn't disagree more on this statement. Truck rolls are rarely worth anything except more aggrevation. Just follow the directions included with TiVo, update the software via Guided Setup (without cards), take a look at the info on-line concerning installing cablecards and then call the activation phone number.
     
  16. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Yes. A truck roll should be a last resort.
     
  17. moedaman

    moedaman New Member

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    While you're probably both correct. I've read plenty of horror stories about having to go back to the store multiple times to get a cable card that works correctly. Really sucks if you live a good distance away from the nearest location.
     
  18. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    The same thing can happen with a truck roll. They end up having only one or two cable cards with them and have to make a return visit.
     
  19. Tony Chick

    Tony Chick New Member

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    My local Time-Warner people found a way around that. They let me pick up the cableCard for self-install but said they don't keep Tuning Adapters in stock for pickup, they are all on the trucks and someone would drop one by. Of course, when the truck showed up they said it was their stock they'd signed for and couldn't release it unless they installed it, and charged me $35 for the pleasure. I'm still disputing that one.
     
  20. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    I would also file a FCC complaint. http://www.fcc.gov/complaints.
     

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