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TiVo Premiere 4 officially announced

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by drebbe, Aug 16, 2012.

  1. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    I wouldn't be surprised to see the next gen hardware include OTA tuners. The problem with the 4 tuner system is there wasn't a 4 tuner system that supported OTA and cable at the time of release. Most likely that has already changed or will by the time of the next gen hardware release.
  2. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    You can also pay lifetime, as shown on the web site.. The press release wasn't clear about that.
  3. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL
    I'm scratching my head as to why any 4-tuner DVR would have less than 1TB installed. I know they're trying to keep costs down, but there's not a huge diff in price here for twice the storage.
  4. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    I would assume it is the same 500GB drive that is now in the Premiere and that allowed them to get some better volume pricing on the drive. If saving a few dollars makes any sense or not is debatable but lots of companies worry about pennies. with enough volume they add up fast.
  5. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    Plus the four tuner TiVo box for the cable company also uses a 500GB drive.
  6. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

    Feb 4, 2008
    My recollection is that the current tivo hardware is capable of processing 4 tuners max, and this is just a software (and hardware?) implementation to move two tuners away from OTA to cable.

    A (relatively) cheap change to keep their biggest income growth stream growing. They do need to get profitable.

    I don't see Tivo leaving the OTA behind, they are unique in that market and cannot abandon it. However, unless it is growing for them as fast as cable, they will not be first in line for the new toys.
  7. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

    Jan 29, 2011
    SE Ohio
    I'm not sure what you mean by that. I think a regular Premiere has two tuners (possibly within one chip), each of which can tune either OTA or cable frequencies. Presumably the new 4-tuner models use a different tuner chip (maybe 2 per chip or maybe 4 per chip) which for some reason cannot be set to use OTA frequencies. Or maybe the decoder chip(s) those models use can't decode 8-VSB encoded signals. In any case, TiVo should be able to design in as many tuner chips (dual or quad or whatever) as they want, as long as they write the software to juggle that many program steams and as long as the hard drives can handle all the data streams.

    I agree. They surely wouldn't be that foolish.
  8. mickpetey

    mickpetey New Member

    Aug 2, 2012
    I'm a newbie. I think I currently have the Tivo Premier 2 tuner. If I upgrade to the Premier 4 for the four tuners, and pay for service on that box would I be able to network my old Tivo just for the hard drive? So I will pay for service on the Premier 4 and have 4 tuners, then by networking my old Tivo I would have twice the HD?

    I was considering waiting for the Centon Q to be released, a 6 tuner would be nice but I think a 4 tuner could get me by for now...
  9. Raver

    Raver New Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    I was hoping they would add the ability to stream from my Tivo to any computer connection and watch my shows at lunch. Why can the app on my Kindle do more than I can access via standard computer?
  10. Welshdog

    Welshdog Tivo this, punk!

    Jan 3, 2005
    Austin, TX
    So Premiere XL4 + Lifetime + 3 year warranty + tax is $902.67
    Even for a long time Tivo user like me that is a lot of money. Particularly for a Tivo that is known to have issues with Time Warner digital cable - which is what i have.
  11. BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Well-Known Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    ... or get the Premiere 4 + PLS + Warranty + taxes for about $700 with Lifetime discount code: PLSR. Not that $700 isn't a pretty big piece of change also, but the high resell-ability of Lifetime'd boxes can make it worthwhile.
  12. bogart

    bogart New Member

    Sep 24, 2002
    Hi--Do these 4 tuner machines require four cable cards from my provider (Fios)? That's $16 per month.
  13. Larry M

    Larry M New Member

    Jul 21, 2012
    No, only one "M" card.
  14. lillevig

    lillevig Cold in East Iowa

    Dec 6, 2010
    Marion, Iowa
    It's a matter of perspective. Some of us would never need that much extra space, but if the drive goes out you can't replace it with less than 2TB.
  15. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    Which is fine. 2 TB drives are around $110. Not the $70 they used to be but even at $110 it's not an outrageous price. Certainly much cheaper than 250GB drives used to cost me.

    Sent from my HTC ReZound using Forum Runner
  16. bogart

    bogart New Member

    Sep 24, 2002
    Thanks, Larry.

    When the Premiere first came out there were many complaints about it. People said it was essentially a beta released as a finished product. Do those problems still exist?
  17. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

    Jan 29, 2011
    SE Ohio
    TiVo offers no way to use the combined hard drives automatically. If you network the TiVos, you could manually transfer recordings from one to another, but you would need paid-up subscriptions on both units to do so.
  18. Finalrinse

    Finalrinse Member

    Jan 12, 2005
    S.E. Michigan
    I have a new Premier 4 on the way, plus a new Western Digital AV-GP 2 TB SATA II Intellipower 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Internal Hard Drive - WD20EURS. $115 = $364 for both. Not saving too much over the Elite except I end up with a back-up drive including paired cable card info. Adding a Slide-Out Glo remote for $38 will bring the total price to $402. No THX certification if that matters? Like I say, the only advantage for doing it this way is a back-up drive with my paired cable card data if I have a drive failure down the road. My cable company requires a truck-roll to pair an M-card so its nice to have a back-up ready to go.
  19. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

    Jan 14, 2011
    Phoenix, AZ
    Has anyone tried using jmfs live on an Elite/XL4? Does it work?
  20. jjd_87

    jjd_87 Member

    Jan 31, 2011
    If anyone cares I pulled the trigger on a 4 over the weekend to replace my 45Hr Premiere that was destroyed in a fire earlier in the summer. Cost a little more than I wanted to pay for the Tivo+Lifetime Sub, but for 4 tuners it's worth it. (Especially since Woot canceled my Elite order two weeks ago. GRRR:mad:)

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