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Tivo petitions FCC for Clarification or Waiver

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by BigJimOutlaw, Jul 27, 2012.

  1. BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Active Member

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    http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment/view?id=6017097789

    I saw the words "Tivo" and "Waiver" and got excited for a split second, as the last time those words were put together, we got the Elite. But this isn't that interesting.

    The Reader's Digest Version:

    MSO-provided HD cable boxes are mandated to comply with an "industry standard that provides a/v communications including service discovery, video transport, and remote control command pass-through standards for home networking" by December 1st.

    Tivo's saying, "IP, WiFi and ethernet are the dominant physical standards, but there are lots of protocols in existence (DLNA,etc). Please clarify what's expected, and give us a year to fall into compliance so that we and our MSO partners aren't boned."
     
  2. nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

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    I mentioned this in another thread so I'll just repeat the comment here.

    Seems like the problem is that the industry hasn't made public any "open industry standard" and without access to such a standard TiVo can't comply with it. It's not clear whether the cable MSOs and their partners are working on such a thing and plan to just spring it on the public when the time comes or whether they were just going to ignore the requirement and then complain that no standard was set if anyone complains when they don't comply.

    Either way, it's smart for TiVo to force the issue and make sure they're covered. As someone else mentioned, it also puts TiVo in a good position to propose a standard if the cable industry was just going to ignore it and plead ignorance when the deadline passed.
     
  3. berkshires

    berkshires New Member

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    By 'Service discovery' is it meant SDV and VOD could be built into the TiVo box?
     
  4. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    My guess is it means providing a system that allows the set top box to "discover" what channels are available to tune, presumably not all possible channels but those that are authorized as part of the service.
     
  5. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    I wish TiVo would push on NCTA's comments regarding the IP solution for encrypting the basic tier. If they can offer a IP solution for basic tier, why not every tier?
     
  6. mattack

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    Weird, because I think the Elite waiver was bad (removing analog tuners).

    This sounds like Tivo is asking to be able to do anything the cable companies/boxes can do... which is the intention of the cable card mandate..
     
  7. nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

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    No, the rule only requires an "open industry standard that provides for audiovisual communications including service discovery, video transport, and remote control command pass-through standards for home networking."

    TiVo has asked for clarification, but this is intended to replace the useless firewire port that was required on previous boxes. No doubt the MSOs would like to make this equally useless but TiVo is attempting to force the issue by asking for clarification.

    Basically the intent is to have a protocol where you can say something like "tune to channel X and spit the video stream out as an H.264 stream."
     
  8. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

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    http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022004790


    http://www.multichannel.com/article...eeks_Comments_on_TiVo_s_HD_Set_Top_Waiver.php

    The FCC's Media Bureau wants input on TiVo's request for a 12-month waiver of commission rules that will require cable operators to ensure HD set-tops "comply with an open industry standard" for home networking by Dec. 1, 2012.

    Comments and oppositions are due 15 days after the request for comments is published in the Federal Register. The proceeding is Media Bureau docket no. 12-230.
     
  9. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Cable wants the CEA to use another one-off system called 'TV Everywhere', Samsung will support it I think.

    The real answer was AllVid because it covered all the MVPDs including sat and U-Verse, but cable told the FCC to go pound sand and they did.
     
  10. innocentfreak

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  11. BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Active Member

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    The tl:dr version is simple enough:

    The FCC basically clarifies "an open industry standard" to mean any open industry standard protocol that meets the requirements set in the rules, and doesn't specify a specific industry standard to use. But they did say that the DLNA spec would work. Everybody has until June-September 2014 to comply. Overall this is fairly inconsequential.
     
  12. nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

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    By failing to specify a single standard or even tightly control what qualifies as an open standard they've created something as useless at the original firewire requirement.
     
  13. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    And they keep kicking the can down the road - everyone knows that DLNA has mostly been a failure, but the FCC thinks it might eventually be the answer even though it's unwilling to mandate that a single open access IP protocol should be a standard.

    In other words, Tivo is screwed - this waiver is another reflection of the FCC's failure to do anything about open IP access, just like with AllVid. Cable will just keep delaying and rolling their own 'standards' until everyone gives up, because the FCC doesn't care. And they really don't care about anyone using sat or telco.
     
  14. moedaman

    moedaman New Member

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    Actually we, the consumer, are screwed. Tivo has been making deals with a lot of cable providers as well as Direct TV lately. If they end up making more money as a oem, they'll just say screw you to the general public and ota viewers.
     
  15. nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

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    That's true. It's strange how the FCC's tone has changed from declaring CableCARD a failure and aggressively pushing for new regulations like Allvid to folding for every NCTA request and repeating all the same mistakes of the past. I'm guessing that the NCTA spread their PAC money around a bit more evenly this campaign cycle.
     
  16. tvmaster2

    tvmaster2 Active Member

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    If the FCC "doesn't care", it's only because the public doesn't care. If you write to them, that's the only way to invoke change
     
  17. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    LOL, please. They care which company they regulate will give them the best deal to jump ship when their term is over. They sure as hell don't care about anything we petition them for.

    FWIW I have filed a complaint with them about Comcast Cablecard billing practices, and got ignored.
     
  18. bdraw

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    Ever had a job where you were responsible for completing certain tasks, but didn't actually have the authority to complete those tasks? Yeah, that's the FCC's position. The Telecom ACT of '96 said they needed to do this, but then didn't give them the enforcement power to actually do it. Of course that doesn't mean the FCC is allowed to stop trying, but while they do care, there is only so much they can do. Congress needs to reform the law. You know, cause not much has change in the Telecom industry in the past 16 years.
     
  19. shwru980r

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    The FCC has the power not to grant waivers.

    The FCC has the power to fine a cable company for every failed attempt to pair a cable card.

    The FCC has the power to fine a company for every defective tuning adapter.

    The FCC has the power to revoke the cable company's privilege to use cable cards and tuning adapters due to incompetence, and broadcast every channel without encryption.
     
  20. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    Even the majority of TCF users won't file complaints to the FCC when they have tuning adapter problems. I wouldn't expect your average user to do it either then.
     

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