I thought as everyone else did that the Premiere had faded away. That is not true at all. From TiVo.com (Shopping) and then at the far right corner is Outlets. https://tivo.com/shop/outlet Are these the same prices when the product launched or as any of the pricing come down? Then again Tivo "should" reduce pricing or include a 6 to 12 month free service with 3yr commit at 15.95 a month.