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Tivo OTA Network DVR submitted to FCC

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by BigJimOutlaw, Sep 6, 2016.

  1. NashGuy

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    Yep. And as a cord cutter who subscribes to two to four of those subscription services in any given month, that's exactly the situation I deal with. The idea of having all that content, along with OTA DVR, available through a single device and organized together into a single watchlist with OnePass was what brought me to TiVo in the first place. But as you say, they didn't really pull it off. I give credit to TiVo for trying and coming closer than anyone else so far, but for me, it's just not quite there. (And apparently the issues with the listing of streaming titles in the OnePass database have gotten worse since switching to Rovi guide data, the gift that seems to keep on giving.)

    Honestly, I'm not sure if or when any single device will be able to successfully do all that. I'd love a device that has all the apps I want, simply with consistent playback controls (e.g. play, rewind, etc.) across all those apps, along with a first-rate solution for live and recorded OTA TV. Never mind having a fully consistent UI between apps (even Apple TV has given up on that) or a universal browse and watchlist overlay that pulls in the content of all the major streaming services. Apple is now trying to do the latter but, since it's missing both Netflix and Amazon, it's not really that "universal".
     
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  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    This month's TiVo survey had more questions about which channels you consider "must have". I really think that we may see an OTT skinny bundle type service integrated into this Mavrik.
     
  3. thyname

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    Yep! I thought the same when I saw the survey
     
  4. Mar 5, 2017 #164 of 232
    BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Well-Known Member

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    After a couple delays, some temporarily confidential Mavrik stuff was finally released by the FCC.

    CPU: BCM7251
    RAM: 1 GB
    WiFi: BCM43570 (802.11ac)
    8GB embedded memory
    USB & SD card slot (SD slot may not make it to the final product)

    2 tuners. The CPU has Bolt-level performance and supports 2 transcode streams.

    Still no documentation regarding its actual service usage. No internal storage other than the embedded memory.



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  5. Mar 5, 2017 #165 of 232
    Mikeguy

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    A bring-you-own-storage DVR?
     
  6. Mar 5, 2017 #166 of 232
    BigJimOutlaw

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    This could be all-cloud.
     
  7. Mar 5, 2017 #167 of 232
    Mikeguy

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    Yep, I know that's what people were speculating, but I saw the USB port and started wondering. A way to sell an even less-expensive DVR along the competitors' lines. (But then, has that really been the issue with TiVo? It's the subscription charge.)
     
  8. Mar 5, 2017 #168 of 232
    JoeKustra

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    Two MAC addresses. That would be WiFi and Ethernet.
     
  9. Mar 5, 2017 #169 of 232
    MikeBear

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    Only TWO tuners? That's a step back. Four tuners should be the minimum nowadays.
     
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  10. Mar 5, 2017 #170 of 232
    Bigg

    Bigg On the fence to being a cord-cutter.

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    It can't be only cloud. Aside from bandwidth caps and other issues, the 8GB of storage could fill up and the thing wouldn't be able to upload everything to the cloud, as some OTA broadcasts are upwards of 18mbps. Even if it transcoded to MPEG-4 at, say, 8mbps, that's still higher than some internet connection uploads, and would create a "pile-up" of recordings to be uploaded. This thing has to be BYO storage. It's probably for cost reasons, but it's too bad they didn't just put 250GB of flash storage on the board or something, with additional USB options, as that would be enough for some users.
     
  11. Mar 5, 2017 #171 of 232
    davezatz

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    Hm, anyone remember Boxee Cloud DVR's specs? It used flash to cache but not sure how much. Of course, they aren't really the gold standard here given that product's failure and the acquihire of the company/team...
     
  12. Mar 5, 2017 #172 of 232
    tluxon

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    I'm a little late to the thread, but I was drawn here because of the experience I had when on the phone with TiVo to order a Bolt this past week. I was on the fence regarding going with the Bolt and the Bolt+ and the CS rep was unexpectedly VERY persuasive about the advantages of going with the Bolt to retain cord-cutting capability. The cord-cutting scenario was definitely a point of emphasis, so something tells me their business plan has already committed to a diminishing role for cable television in their future. Most cord-cutters are doing so on the basis of IP streaming and OTA media, so if anyone's going to marry such diverse media sources into a seamless interface, I would bet on TiVo slaying it.
     
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    Dan203

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    I had a theory about that. My theory was that they were going to use the local DVR to verify you had access to the recording, but then simply unlock a cloud recording they made themselves using the Aereo equipment. That way no upload bandwidth is needed.
     
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    BigJimOutlaw

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    Mavrik probably transcodes video on-the-fly at the same bitrate that the Bolt/Stream/Roamio do (~2 mbps on highest quality, making 1 GB/hr files.) Since the primary target is mobile that bitrate has more or less been fine for those screens. Wouldn't be surprising if you could choose a basic or medium bitrate as well for the bandwidth-conscious. BYOHDD would be a desirable option though.

    You would think an option to use a local DVR would be a logical bonus, but who knows. It's Tivo. That might come 9 months after launch. :p
     
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    BillyClyde

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    It looks a lot like the simple.tv v2 that was made by silicon dust. If you look closely at the back picture you can see a small "SD" logo. Do you think it's also made by them?
     
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    BigJimOutlaw

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    My first thought was that it was for an SD card slot that got removed at some point. The motherboard has those 4 holes with no hardware. But heck knows what's going on there.
     
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  17. Mar 6, 2017 #177 of 232
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    1) Dave's analysis shows that this unit does have an SD slot at least in this reference model

    2) It makes no sense that this unit would have wifi. It is just like the TiVo stream - it does not need to be located near the television. It can be located near any Ethernet drop. There is no direct output from this unit, we know it is designed to provide a feed for an app on streaming boxes / device.

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  18. Mar 6, 2017 #178 of 232
    BillyClyde

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    Thanks. That makes sense what the "SD" means.
     
  19. Mar 6, 2017 #179 of 232
    TeamPace

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    I had noticed the SD logo as well and even though it's fuzzy I thought it looked more like the logo for SD cards. But I noticed there didn't seem to be hardware on the circuit board to accommodate that. Had not considered if the SD stood for Silicon Dust.

    As to it having just two tuner's I suspect either this is just a scaled back product not intended to replicate a full TiVo DVR experience but more for the streaming crowd to be able to integrate some OTA TV with the TiVo UI on their streaming device, or as mentioned recordings will be cloud based and not actually recorded and uploaded from the device. In our area Time Warner's standard internet is only 1Mbps up. I think that's changing now with the Spectrum takeover but those speeds don't allow much for uploading recordings or doing out of home streaming.

    I think there could be a market for this with cord cutters who are primarily focused on streaming, providing the price and implementation are done right. Unfortunately I don't think TiVo has any interest in just building low cost hardware devices. So there is nearly certainly going to be some kind of fee based structure tied to it for guide data or cloud storage.
     
  20. Mar 6, 2017 #180 of 232
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I do not know enough about hardware design to tell if the components are on that mother board or not. From Dave's photo, there is obviously a slot the size of an SD card below the label. It is also pretty reasonable based on position that any physical connector would be on the bottom of the motherboard and we are only seeing an image of the top.

    That said, you guys may be seeing something from this top view that tells you that an SD card connection cannot possibly be on the underside. I would not know.
     

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