Yep. I don't think $190+ per month is reasonable for all 3 services. I want to reduce that, and keep the function of a DVR, hence the other reason I joined the TiVo forum. I figure internet only, with subscription to Netflix and Hulu Plus should be enough for what I need. I like the idea of the Ooma phone. An IP phone makes more sense these days. By the way, I called AT&T a couple of weeks ago and asked them about service in my area. They told me they don't do business in the same area as Verizon. I thought that was interesting.