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TiVo O/S got a new feature - tuner allocation

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by igirl, Feb 11, 2013.

  1. igirl

    igirl Tivo and EyeTV User

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    I just noticed this the other day surfing around in settings -
    Settings & Messages> Settings > Remote, CableCARD, & Devices > Allow Live TV on Other Devices
    http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2395#instructions

    To me, this is actually BAD NEWS. I have a P4 and sometimes actually record 4 shows at once!

    What's it's saying is - if you add a Mini - you're going to lose a tuner permanently - unless you like going to the host Tivo and changing the setting temporarily every single time you want to also use the Mini - (or if you want to record 4 shows).

    RECORDING ON THE HOST TIVO SHOULD TAKE PRIORITY over any other devices IMHO, and cut them off as needed - at least as an OPTION!!!!! But that's not an option - Add a Mini = Lose a tuner - is your only option.

    That's a deal breaker for us - we won't be buying a Mini now.
     
  2. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Really old news (see the Mini threads here and in the Premiere forum), but Tivo is supposed to change this to allow for dynamic allocation at some point.
     
  3. igirl

    igirl Tivo and EyeTV User

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    oops - I missed that, sorry - dynamic allocation would be a wise thing to implement.
     
  4. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Even with dynamic tuner allocation I still see a need for that setting. It would still be nice to be able to control how many tuners can be used for remote live TV even if it's only allocated when in use.
     
  5. P42

    P42 New Member

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    Dan I presume that you are think about a house with multiple Minis and wanting to prevent too many tuners been taken away from the central box, correct?
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yes. Or perhaps you want to disable live TV entirely to prevent other members of your family from canceling scheduled shows in favor of watching live TV.
     
  7. lillevig

    lillevig Hot in West Texas

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    "Live TV"? What's that?
     
  8. jkovach

    jkovach TiVoing since 1999!

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    Exactly. One of the options for the Mini should either allow no Live TV, or prevent it from being able to cancel a scheduled recording. I can't believe the folks at Tivo haven't concluded there would be a demand for this...
     
  9. Soapm

    Soapm Active Member

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    I think it's another name for the news.
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Well the current option either turns it off or permanently allocates 1 or 2 tuners to remote live TV viewing. I assume once they get dynamic tuner allocation working it will work the same except that instead of permanently allocating the tuners it will only do it if the remote user requests it. I also assume that the remote user will presented with some sort of conflict message if the tuner can not be allocated due to a recording in progress. Kind of like how it works now if you're actually sitting in front of the TiVo and try to change the channel on a tuner that's recording. I don't think they'll get too crazy with the options and allow it to be on but not allow it to override a conflict. TiVo options aren't typically that specific.
     
  11. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    I don't care about live TV either. You have to remember TiVo's perspective and priority is the MSO market and probably live TV is a requirement there.
    I'd also add that in addition to leaving the option to choose tuner allocation I'd also like to have the option to turn it on/off from Mini side.
     
  12. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    That's what I record almost all day from CNN. I'm still not watching it live. I watch the most recent recording.
     
  13. mattack

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    Well, if the 30 minute buffer went away (to save power), I'd be fine with that.. But CNN is one of the channels I *do* tune to on purpose to get it to buffer upÂ… mostly to FF through late night before I go to sleepÂ… (if I'm too tired to pay attention to a TV show, might still want news as background noise.)
     
  14. Arcady

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    But TiVo makes the Preview for MSO's that has a CableCard in it, so there is no need to hijack a tuner.

    I'm still glad I bought an extra Premiere and put it on my $6.95 slot. The whole idea of the mini becomes less ideal every day.
     
  15. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Mini is also being used by MSOs. Deployment already started with Suddenlink.
     
  16. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I love the "it doesn't matter to me, so it must not be important" comments.

    Well, let me chime in. I do use live TV - a lot and I also use the 30 minute buffer - a lot.

    Heck - I have been known to put the tuner on a live show, then switch over and watch a 30 minute recording skipping the comercials and dropping back down to the begining of the live buffer.

    I will also change the channel on the TiVo without even turning the TV on, just to let the buffer fill up on the news or sports event I am interested in.

    And yes - late in the evening, I still find myself bored and channel surfing from time to time.

    I do want dynamic tuner allocation on my TiVo mini - and will probably wait to purchase one until it is available.
     
  17. buscuitboy

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    Yea, I have been holding out to see what these minis offer. Was gonna put 1 or 2 in a basement area where they aren't used a lot. However, I'm now thinking I might be better off just getting an older Series 3, lifetime it at $99 (if able with a future Premiere purchase) and sticking a cable card in it for about $1.50/month.

    Yea, I realize I'll lose multi-room streaming, but will at least have dedicated live tv, multi-room transfer and netflix options.
     
  18. Dan203

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    I think they might end up discontinuing those in favor of the Mini. The Premiere 4 + Mini setup is just easier for MSOs to deal with. And if the customer is already use to only having a 2 tuner DVR then allocating 1 or 2 tuners for live TV on the Mini(s) isn't a big deal.
     
  19. igirl

    igirl Tivo and EyeTV User

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    +1 on filling the buffer before viewing - this is usually a morning filler show for me before I get going for the day - but it still gives enough lead to comskip.

    My husband channel surfs live TV. Often when he goes to bed 2 hours before me. Having him cutting off active recordings or channels I'm watching with a Mini would be REALLY BAD. So for now he'll just get base cable in that room.

    FWIW we have a Tivo Stream as well - and it really sucks that AirPlay is disabled on the iPad app - so there is no mirroring iPad/Tivo to a bigger screen -
     
  20. Dan203

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    I don't think live TV on the Mini is going to work exactly the same as sitting in front of the TiVo itself, even after they get dynamic tuner allocation working. For example you'll likely have to specifically request live TV, via the button or menu, rather then it simply timing out to live TV like it does on the TiVo itself. That way if you have multiple Minis but only allotted 1 tuner to remote live TV then only the Mini that actually needs the tuner will grab it. For the same reason they'll likely make it so live TV on the Mini times out after a certain amount of inactivity and the tuner is deallocated any time you're in the menus. That way you don't have to worry about not being able to use one Mini because the other one was accidentally left on live TV. Which means that tuning to a live channel, pausing it, and then watching something recorded why the buffer fills up may not work exactly as expected. If another Mini request the tuner, or TiVo decides to record a Suggestion, that tuner will likely appear as available and get used. You'll also likely only ever have access to one tuner on the Mini no matter how many you have allocated to remote viewing on the host TiVo. So swapping back and forth between multiple live shows like you can on a real TiVo probably wont be possible either.
     

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