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TiVo Needs more Beta Testers, says Margret

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by CoxInPHX, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. lujan

    lujan Member

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    This argument can go on forever and ever but I'm always going to disagree with you and there will always be those that agree with you and those that agree with me. All I know is that I will NEVER provide free beta testing to TiVo again and you can consider this matter closed. :)
     
  2. SnakeEyes

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    NTTAOB ;) but I actually enjoy testing new stuff. Whether I am compensated or not isnt important.

    Although I haven't been asked to beta test in years
     
  3. lessd

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    True, but i want a backup drive for any TiVo I own, so with the TP-4 upgraded with a 2Tb drive i still have the 0.5Tb drive as a backup and a little less cost to boot.
     
  4. gamo62

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    Agreed. I guess there are those out there who ALWAYS want to be compensated regardless of what the product is.

    I would tend to shy away from those types, and their reporting could be a little skewed if they think that they are going to be compensated. Rather than someone out there who truly wants to help make a better product.
     
  5. MichaelK

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    apparently i'm a moron without skills ;) but when i get off my butt to beta test that describes me too.

    I've never expected anything. Recently I've been lucky enough to "win" a couple home automation boxes and amazingly a cell phone. Still i was shocked to have gotten them (to keep), and what most excited me was not the value but that i got to fiddle with hardware before anyone else did.

    That said I am pretty perplexed why Tivo apparently asks for people to send things back when done. UPS isn't cheap anymore so shipping physical goods back might cost a significant chunk of the "cost" of physical hardware- that they aren't going to resell anyway. So I do wonder why they waste the time, money, and effort to do that? Maybe they have so many people beta that they are afraid it's many of their early adopters who might otherwise pay early adopter tax of just released hardware?

    I've beta tested software and hardware for various companies before. I think that consumer electronics must be different then some other things becasue I've seen the sentiment above (that you need a CS degree and certifications and to be a software professional to "properly test") on another forum and had to shake my head there too. I would "argue" that while there's certainly value to professional coders testing thing- you also need actual real world users who might be "stupid" like me to try things and see what my fellow morons might do to a consumer device. Maybe you want the CS guys to futz with the alpha but isn't the point of beta testing to let it get out into the wild and experiment with a larger sampling of situations?
     
  6. lessd

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    You are not moron without skills, your just the type of person TiVo is looking for, I am sure TiVo people test out the first systems but after that TiVo wants ordinary consumers to have a go at it, you would be surprised at what such people may find that the TiVo people missed, and for some (like me) it is fun to test out the new software/hardware and I don't care about any compensation. Now that TiVo does not use people with upgraded TiVos I am out of any TiVo beta programs.
     
  7. ilkevinli

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    Whats funny about this is I been signed up for Tivo as a tester for at least 3 years and the most I have ever been asked to do was fill out surveys. Go figure.
     
  8. innocentfreak

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    Make sure your profile is up to date. I know occasionally they release a new profile to fill out that adds more fields. Sometimes they will also ask you to fill out a new profile just to refresh their records to make sure you are still interested in testing.
     
  9. HeatherA

    HeatherA Old AVS Forum Member

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    I am in the same boat. Been signed up for ages but haven't tested anything. I logged in, after seeing Margaret's tweet, and realized I hadn't updated my profile in over a year. I updated my profile, added my newer boxes, removed older boxes and updated my email. Maybe now I'll get lucky ;)

    One thing I wonder about... they won't count TiVo approved external hard drives as modifications will they? My HD space doesn't read as spec with them attached and I wondered if perhaps that was the issue keeping me from testing.
     
  10. Ed_Hunt

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    I Beta tested windows Vista, 7 and 8 and Microsoft just gave me an opportunity to buy the programs at a small discount. I am really surprized at the fact people are looking to get something for doing something they probably enjoy doing anyway, otherwise why would you sign up.
    Upon reflection, I guess I'm not that surprized.
     
  11. BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Well-Known Member

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    My understanding is those are fine, at least they were back when I tested.
     
  12. HeatherA

    HeatherA Old AVS Forum Member

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    Good to know. Thank you.
     
  13. MichaelK

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    I totally agree (hence the wink)- I'm not surprised at the things 'ordinary people might find.

    I once found a bug for a company, that under certain conditions would allow their system to ignore the cable CCI bit flags. I was able to isolate it and determine the exact steps to repeat the issue. I was actually pretty proud (still am as i brag) that I found the bug after the product was so close to finished and so many others must have checked it out before me. I was happy that i was able to make such a difference- can only imagine the wrath of cable labs against that company had I not pointed the flaw out and they released the product as it was with the bug.

    (while at the same time being angry at my self that I couldn't ignore it and had to go and say something- i could have copied months of HBO HD movies probably before anyone would have noticed- LOL)
     
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  14. unitron

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    Too bad the original TiVo was never beta tested on a Sunday night on the east coast during football season by someone who watches 60 minutes.:mad::(:thumbsdown:
     
  15. tomhorsley

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    I don't understand this thread. From the way the software works, I always got the impression we are already all beta testers... (insert rim shot sound effect here :).
     
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  16. unitron

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    :D:D:D:up:;):rolleyes::(
     
  17. slowbiscuit

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    You jest, but that's pretty much the story with Tivo software now. We're all in extended beta.
     
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  18. Mikeguy

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    I believe in products that I test (or, at least want to believe in them and/or assist the company in improving the products). At the same time, my time is just as important as the time of the company's own employees, who likely are not working for the company for free . . . . For me, it is the height of discourtesy and inconsiderateness not to provide a real thank you for efforts expended on the company's behalf, especially where it can be done so easily by a company.

    The fact that I think that some form of (real) compensation should be provided does not somehow "skew" me or my work. To the contrary, it simply reinforces the integrity and fairness that I bring with me to the project.

    Btw, TiVo itself must agree, as it routinely has brought in users to its facility for the field-testing of its equipment, providing (real) $ compensation for that.
    Exactly. And I may be wrong, but I am guessing that the corporation pays its employees and that they, in turn, expect to be paid for their work. And that includes the corporation's beta-tester recruiters . . .
    And I've been paid (real) $ compensation to test video games for major game developer companies.
    Concur 100%--my time is just as important to me as the company's is to it. Would the company expect its employees to work for free? And here, especially where the compensation would be (so little) to the company.
    And, despite a limitless existence, we all have limited time in life, and mine is just as important as that of the company.
     
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