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Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by cmonroe, Mar 8, 2013.
Didn't show up yesterday evening either.
It's powered by a bcm7418.
Yup, you can pause just like on the regular Premiere. In fact, if you turn the TV on which the Mini is connected to, hit the "live TV" button and it maintains the most recent 30 minutes of that channel in buffer just like the premiere does. You can come back to your Mini after having the TV off for say 12 hours and rewind the current channel it's on up to 30 minutes which is handy.
Sorry the quality is not great, but here's the overall board layout. I couldn't make out more than a Broadcom logo on the die but based on the feature set it aligns well with the 7418 as others have commented. There are 2x Samsung K4B2G1646C chips on board which appear to be 128MB DDR3 RAM, so 256MB total. There is also 1x Samsung KLM2G1HE3F chip that appears to be a 2GB eMMC chip. eMMC includes the MMC interface, flash memory, and flash memory controller on on a single chip. Without digging in deeper likely this is used to store the OS and also contains a partition for buffering up media.
I didn't notice any obvious connectors, except the 4 pin connector in the bottom right of IMG_2399. This may be a serial port but there is no UART chip to be found anywhere; you'd need an adapter that contains the UART on board (if that's what this port even is). This is typical of high production units to reduce cost.
Did anyone reveal how much this device costs? (Did I miss that while browsing through the thread? )
$99 plus $149 lifetime or $5.99/month
Yup, receipt was $107.98 with tax here.
Im not so worried about the delay starting the stream, but do you have any idea on what, if any, time lag there is between a premiere and attached mini displaying the same program?
I'd like to put a mini in the kitchen for sports, but if folks in the den start cheering 3 seconds before I see it, that would be less than ideal.
They're two completely different copies of the program so syncing them up would be nearly impossible.
The streaming technology TiVo uses does not mirror what's being played on the host unit, it streams the digital data for the program to the remote unit and that unit plays it back complete with it's own ability to pause, FF, RW, etc... If you want to mirror what's on the TV in the living room your best bet for a no-lag solution would be to simply run a long cable. There are devices call baluns that can send an HDMI signal over a standard cat6 up to 300' feet if a typical 50' cable wont work.
Just to confirm, the Mini has no fan and runs completely silent, unlike the TiVo Stream which produces an annoying hum?
It hasn't ever been on the website yet. The SKU is listed in Best Buy's system and has the proper description, but, at least in the Denver area, no stores show any stock or availability at the warehouse.
The interesting thing is that one store told me they don't carry that product, but another store (that has a Magnolia sub store does, but they were currently out of stock). This leads me to wonder if the Mini is going to be available only at the Best Buy locations with Magnolias.
I understand what many of you are saying regarding channel surfing. I know I am not alone in the method. I am not technically challenged. However, people watch TV in many ways. There are a lot of times where I might keep switching between two channels trying to multi-task so to speak. I had a Slingcatcher/Slingbox combo, for a while, hooked up to a Tivo. No matter what remote command I used there was always, roughly, a 4-5 second lag before the response. After awhile that got tedious especially during FF or rewinding. I understood the delay since the signal had to pass thru the catcher to the router to the slingbox and finally the Tivo and all the way back. I am concerned the Mini will exhibit this same time delay. I know it will have something for a delay but how much. Will it be faster then the above combo? That is why I am asking the only consumer who actually has one if he knows the time delay. When I sit in front of a Tivo I am looking for fast response time and I get it in its normal configuration. I want something reasonably close in comparison with a Mini. I know it won't be the same time but I hope it will be fast enough to not get aggravating.
Just to confirm yes, there is about a 3 second delay between what you hear on the premiere and what you hear on the mini due to streaming. That being said, I bet if you tuned two minis to the same channel the delay woud be only marginally different (like tuning two premieres to the same live station) as the delay/overhead should be the same. I may pick up another mini today and if I do that I'll report back.
The delay should be much less than your old combo. I actually do something similar when watching two shows on the premiere but by switching tuners. Swapping channels on the mini takes about 3-3.5 seconds. Since you are using a TiVo remote you simply hit "Enter/Last" and it swaps back. I would say it adds maybe 0.5-1.0 seconds over doing the same thing on a Premiere (we were discussing the lag in changing channels on a Premiere due to cable cards and other issues in general) so I find it acceptable.
The one thing you lose out on with the mini is buffering. If you switch between 2 tuners on the Premiere you have 30 minutes of buffer (per-tuner) you can rewind and that doesn't go away if you only switch tuners. Since the mini is tied to one tuner swapping channels releases the buffer. My statement from earlier still stands however; if you turn on the mini after say a few hours and hit "Live TV" it maintains a 30 minute buffer of the current channel (until you change it) which is handy if the show that's on when you turn on the TV is something you want to watch. Simply rewind it and watch as if it were recorded.
No fans, no noise whatsoever. LEDs are much less intrusive as well. This device is *very* bedroom friendly. If you see the hardware pics I posted above it shows the full board. The only things not pictured are the heat sink over the BCM chip and the plastic enclosure.
And if you touch the trick play controlls on either it will be even more out of sync.
Ok, one more update (sorry for the spam). I tried streaming a show from the other TiVo premiere in my house and it worked fine today. It didn't work yesterday due to networking issues. It doesn't look like i can set the Mini up to use a tuner from the 2-tuner premiere but that may be a config issue on the 2-tuner, I'll check it out.
I've had a TiVo in the bedroom for almost the last 12 years. Once I get the Mini I don't know how I'll get to sleep without hearing the TiVo fan and hard drive every night. It's going to be so quiet. Probably too quiet.
Ok, one last question. If I hit pause how long before I actually see the pause occur on the TV attached to the mini?