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Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by cmonroe, Mar 8, 2013.
You would need to plug the USB dongle into the Mini. The Mini does not have built in Bluetooth.
I broke down and bought an XL4 and Mini to watch shows in our master bedroom (wife is pregnant).
Activated both at 5:30pm EDT and still can't connect the Mini to the XL4. When I log onto tivo.com and look at my account, it says it's still processing and may take up to 24 hours.
WTH? Does anyone have a realistic time frame to have everything active? I can't even use my TiVo Stream now until the new DVR is registered (don't have a spare CableCard to install in the old Premiere).
My Mini was 100% functional during the 24 hour processing time at tivo.com. How do you have them networked? What is happening on the mini? Did you select "allow live tv on other devices" on your XL4?
Yes, I selected allow live TV on other devices on the XL4 (1 tuner). The Mini is connected via MoCA. It's getting a network connection because it's downloaded software updates (or at least connected to the network and downloaded something).
It's stuck on a screen that it can't find a compatible DVR on the network.
Have you tried rebooting the XL4? Note that after getting a new TiVo it does take 48-72 hours for MRV/MRS to work properly, so this could be related. Make sure you login to tivo.com and enable TTG functionality such that system information screen has A,A,A for TiVoToGo. If that's still I,I,I that could be your problem.
Twice, and reconnecting to the TiVo center as well.
I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that I activated the XL4 on the multi-service discount plan.
When I log into tivo.com, I was allowed to transfer season passes to the XL4, but when I click on my account it says "We're still processing your activation. Try again in 24 hours." When I click on find shows, it still defaults to the old Premiere and doesn't show the XL4 in the drop down menu.
Uh oh. I have the same situation and I have an existing Premiere. I have an XL4 coming tomorrow and the TA and cable card the next day and the mini on Friday. I hope I don't have this problem.
Is your XL4 getting channels?
It's likely the XL4 hasn't made a VCM connection yet, which is different than a service connection. It does take a new box awhile to show up, Why not give it the 24 hours it's asking for?
Yea the XL4 was getting channels. Had it up and running fairly quickly. Took Comcast an hour to send the refresh signal. (If you have Comcast, Google their CableCard activation number to save time. Don't call their general number.)
At any rate all is working now. I unplugged the XL4 and Mini, plugged the XL4 back in after a few minutes, then plugged the Mini back in after 15 or so minutes. Not sure if that did it or if the TiVo system just updated (it still says processing activation under the my accounts).
I was able to see it on my iPad with my Stream, so maybe just the Mini needed rebooting. I'm guessing I didn't leave it unplugged long enough to clear the memory the first time I rebooted.
I'm impressed with the picture quality and responsiveness of it. Even switching channels manually is not as bad as I had read before. I was looking through the network status section and saw my MoCA status had transmit and receive rates of 240 and 245 Mbps. Is that actually how fast it's working? I thought MoCA1.1 was limited to around 170?
The Best Buy in the DFW area has a few on the shelf. I just picked up 2.
First of all my setup:
Tivo XL4 with a tuning adapter hardwired into a switch which is hardwired into a router. One tuner configured to use the Tivo mini (and yes, that tuner is dedicated to the Tivo mini live TV and cannot be used by the XL4 at all. You do NOT need to allocate a tuner to the Tivo mini if you don't want to watch live TV on it)
Tivo HD connected to the router wirelessly
Tivo Mini hardwired into a switch which is hardwired into a router
I hooked up the Tivo mini. It's boot time was almost as long as the XL4's, which is amazing. Only Tivo engineers can manage to have something boot that slow off a chip. Guess they are having it calculate pi to the 10,000th digit as it boots.
Went through a guided setup similar to the XL4s but minus the ZIP code and cable company configuration. At the end of the setup, it was loading guide data, which took forever and made no sense since it's using the guide data off the XL4 from what I can tell (keep reading and that'll make sense to you).
Set up my remote to control the TV, named the Tivo mini and all that other fun little stuff.
Main menu claimed my XL4 could no longer be found. I unplugged the network cable and plugged in another straight from the router (so bypassing the switch). I get a message that I no longer have internet connectivity and it didn't go away even after I plugged in the network cable again. Found a place to have it test my connection. It went through the test and then hung at the last step "Disconnecting."
Found that somewhere along the lines I lost live TV on my XL4, everything else on it still worked. Could be an odd coincidence, but I'm guessing the Tivo Mini somehow jacked that up.
Rebooted the XL4. Power cycled the Tivo Mini (still hung at "Disconnecting).
All worked well, I could watch live TV and recorded shows, forward, rewind, everything with no apparent lag.
I wanted to post my experience on the forums and while I looked for a good place to do so, I found someone asking if the Tivo Mini played video off the USB port. Just for kicks I copied .AVI, .WMV, .MP4, .MPG and also a .JPG picture to a USB stick and plugged it into the Tivo mini. I got an error that the Tivo Mini does not support storage expansion and saw no way to browse or play the files off the USB stick (I checked under Photos as well to see if maybe you could show .JPG pictures, but no option for the USB stick there either).
Tivo Mini now gave me the error that it could not find the XL4, yet I was still able to watch live TV (but not recordings). When I tried to use the guide, it just gave me an error that it couldn't find the XL4 (which leads me to believe that it's using the XL4's guide, not it's own to where loading data when it connects should not be taking as long as it does).
I removed the USB stick, rebooted the Tivo Mini and no more error. Tried several channels of LiveTV, then noticed that I didn't have the switched channels.
Checked the XL4, sure enough, no switched channels. Rebooted tuning adapter (guess I should have done that when I rebooted the XL4 earlier, but tuning adapter reboots can be such a pain).
Tivo Mini gave an error that the XL4 was doing something using all it's tuners (makes sense for a tuning adapter reboot). Then I was back to it not being able to find the XL4 (UGH!!!). Rebooted the Tivo Mini, all seems well.
I tried some switched channels, apps and Live365 streaming radio off the mini without issues.
I have the suggestion banner on the top enabled on my XL4. I don't see an option to disable that on the Tivo Mini, so it must take over the setting from the XL4 for that. Since the Tivo Mini doesn't come with Netflix, I wondered what would happen if I tried to go into one of the suggestions it listed from Netflix. Want to guess?
If you guess that Tivo Mini no longer found the XL4 and required a reboot, you are a winner!
BTW, it can only Stream of the XL4. It sees my Tivo HD, but won't let me browse it or anything.
I'll use it some more and will let you guys know if I find out anything else, so far the losing connectivity to the XL4 when anything unusual happens and me having to reboot the Tivo mini seems to be the only major issue.
I guess you just have to watch what you select until they fix their bugs (I guess they had some lame beta testers for me to get the error as many times as I did and they didn't catch it in beta)...
On subsequent service connections, I noticed that loading the guide data is much faster.
The mini downloaded and installed a service update last night. No message detailing the changes like there usually is on the regular Tivo boxes, I just know because I noticed that there was a pending restart and when I manually restarted, it applied the update.
Even after the update, the Mini intermittently kept giving me errors that it lost connection to the XL4 despite Live TV working fine. I tried static IP addresses for both which made no difference. I suspect that that rather than using the IP address to contact the XL4 directly, Tivo must use something broadcast-based for the heartbeat and maybe that's not always making it through my two switch/router setup.
This morning I changed over to a secure MoCA connection (I do not currently have a POE filter hooked up). During the setup, at first the Mini was acting as if it wasn't seeing the XL4. Then it saw the XL4, but claimed there was an issue connecting to the Tivo service. As before, a reboot fixed 'er up and I was able to use Live TV, Stream shows, use Live365, look at shows on the suggestion banner etc. My advice is definitely if you make any changes to the Mini configuration whatsoever, reboot it.
Since switching over to MoCA, I've not received any more lost connection errors or other issues, so I guess I'll keep using encrypted MoCA rather than ethernet. Seems to work fine without a POE filter and I'm probably not going to install one since I don't need a performance boost and am worried that it could interfere with cable company communications (i.e. the tuning adapter communicating back to Time Warner to get a stream), so I'll go with "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Since I'm using encrypted MoCA, I don't have to worry about the MoCA signal making it to my neighbors and them streaming off my Tivo... ;-)
After than statement, I'm sure someone will tell me that there is a way to crack MoCA encryption, but based on what I'm using MoCA for and that there aren't many MoCA devices out there to where probably nobody else in a mile radius has one, I'm not too worried...
I hope my experiences above prove useful to somone and that either everything works for you right after you hook up the Tivo Mini or that you get any issues squared away quickly so you can enjoy your Tivo Mini. Good luck everyone!
This will be the final update unless I run into any major issues that just haven't manifested themselves yet.
Well, I'll be going through this Friday. Looks like a bunch of reboots and hope you did it in the right order!
I think you can only stream from other Premieres.
Thank you for the above
Does the HD support streaming.
No it does not. You can only stream from Premiere models. You can't use a TiVoHD with a Mini. You can only use series 4 boxes with a Mini and you have to have at least a four tuner Premiere to even setup a Mini. But once setup you can stream from a two tuner Premiere.
You are correct, per Tivo the HD does not support streaming. I merely included this info because a lot of times when a company claims something won't work, it still might, they just don't support it.
I figured someone might find the actual confirmation that it won't work useful.
Streaming didn't even exist on the Premiere units until an update last year. The S3 and TiVo HD units have not received a software update in almost 3 years. The S3/HD units are end of life. They will never get another update. So if you're unhappy with the functionality they provide your only option is to upgrade to a Premiere.
That is enough for me to skip the mini. I really don't like the idea of losing my 4th tuner to have a mini that rarely gets used.
You don't have to - just allocate 0 tuners to the Mini and problem solved.
Tell it not to assign the tuner then. One shortcut Ben mentioned on this week's Engadget HD podcast is if you have an iPad or any of the TiVos app you can browse the guide via that. Then select what you want to watch so it starts a recording. You will be able to select that and watch that via the Mini.
I believe you can also do the same thing by browsing the Guide from the Mini.
This way you don't lose a tuner, but you have to start recording whatever live show you want to watch.