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Tivo Mini tuner sharing ("piggybacking")

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by aryndub, Nov 22, 2013.

  1. stuartv

    stuartv New Member

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    Okay. That works. Mostly. It does not work as well as just explicitly letting multiple devices share a tuner (by transparently hitting Record for the user). Reasons I say that:

    - If all tuners are busy and I want to watch something live from a Mini, I simply can't. Unless I just happen to know that one of the tuners is already tuned to what I want. And that tuner has explicitly intiated a Record. It would be EASIER for the user if, when you tried to tune something on a Mini and all tuners were already busy, it would inform the user that all tuners are busy, show the user what each tuner is doing, and give them the option to "attach" to one and start watching whatever that tuner is tuned to - regardless of if somebody else is watching it. That tuner is already recording to a 90-minute buffer, right? So at that point, I could even rewind up to 90 minutes, maybe, if I wanted.

    - if I'm recording something and watching it near-live, and all other tuners are busy, somebody else could start watching my recording from another TV and be watching near-live also, without my knowledge. If I then switch over to another channel, I'll have to stop my recording or one of the others that is happening. If I choose to stop mine, I will inadvertently kill the program for the other person that is watching. In contrast, if sharing was explicitly supported, when I try to change channels, the device could prompt me that another Tivo device is watching the same tuner and allow me to pick a different recording to cancel (i.e. I switch to another tuner, so the other watcher is unaffected), cancel the current recording but KNOWING that I'm killing another person's viewing too, or simply let me Cancel and stay on the current channel. In other words, it gives ME all the info I need and lets ME decide, instead of being locked out of certain choices.

    Sharing a tuner to watch live is not really any different than sharing a recorded program to watch on 2 devices simultaneously. Even live TV is recorded (just into a rolling buffer with a fixed length). So, the concerns about each one being to do its own pause/rewind/ff seems unfounded. The only issue I can see is controlling what the tuner is doing. And for that, I don't see why any Tivo device (Roamio or connected Mini) shouldn't be able to explicitly control the tuners. You're talking about people in the same house, right? If all the tuners are busy, and somebody wants to change one, why should it be locked to the device that tuned it? What's wrong with relying on Mom or Dad to check with the other people in the house to determine what tuner to change (if all the tuners are busy and they want to change one)? That seems better than having tuners locked to individual devices (to me).
     
  2. tatergator1

    tatergator1 Active Member

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    From Tivo's perspective, I think what you're advocating is drifting into "Power User" features with too limited of an audience to make it worth their time to develop the necessary software for these features. All of them are certainly possible since all video that is output from a Tivo is coming from the hard drive.

    More options/features/customization are great, but Tivo has limited resources and it's just not in their interest to allocate development time to these features.
     
  3. stuartv

    stuartv New Member

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    Maybe so. But, it seems like they already somewhat support this idea. I mean, you already get prompted to choose when you try to change a channel and it would interrupt a recording. It already lets you choose what recording to cancel, or to not change channels after all.

    And it already lets multiple users view the same content from the HD at the same time. So, it doesn't seem like a big stretch, for Development or for users to understand how to use in an intuitive way. But, I could certainly be wrong.

    At this point, I am super happy with how far Tivo has come since my DirecTivo box. The Roamio and Mini setup, plus Streaming is all HUGE and I really hope I can "sell" the "boss" on the idea of going this way for our new house. :D
     
  4. s10023

    s10023 New Member

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    everything stuart says is right on. sharing tuners is clearly more complicated to implement on tivo's end but not rocket science, and would be a great upgrade.
     
  5. stuartv

    stuartv New Member

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    Thanks, s10023.

    And, tatergator, if all your tuners are in use, and a user fires up a Mini and tries to tune to a channel that one of those tuners is already tuned to, it doesn't seem like a Power User feature to me to have that Mini simply WORK (i.e. start showing the user the channel they asked for), instead of entering whatever failure mode they do now ("Sorry. No tuners available. Try again later." ?). I mean, it seems like all the devices have to do is automatically start doing a Record on that tuner, and then start playing the recording on the user's Mini, but fast-forwarded to the "end". Then, if nobody explicitly told it to Record that program, it could automatically throw the recording away when all the Tivos stopped using it.
     
  6. teklock

    teklock New Member

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    What you're saying does make sense. I always have tuners so it's not an issue for me, but it does seem like something that should already be there.
     
  7. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    But that means if you are in front of your tv and watching live-tv, all of a sudden you can find that you've lost control of what you see (because someone else starts watching your show) and can't change the channel. Tat's something that cannot happen without you knowing about it and agreeing in the current implementation. That's not a happy family situation!
     
  8. stuartv

    stuartv New Member

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    Ummm, no. What I said was that, when you try to change the channel, you could/should be prompted to choose what tuner you want to use to tune into the new channel (assuming they are all in use). The prompt should show you what each tuner is currently doing (including showing if your current tuner is also streaming to another Roamio or Mini) and let you pick which tuner to change (or Cancel your channel change request).

    In other words, pretty much just like it would do now if all tuners were recording and you tried to change channels.
     
  9. stuartv

    stuartv New Member

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    Anyway, it's moot for me, now. Last week I thought I was going to get Comcast TV in my new house, so I was really trying to decide between a Comcast DVR or a Roamio (I have loved my Tivos in the past). Then I realized I could get DirecTV. I checked it out and it's MUCH cheaper than Comcast (they gave me some huge "returning customer" discounts - all my equipment was free!). And their Genie DVR setup seems to offer everything that the Roamio setup does, plus they claim to support streaming to Android tablets in addition to iPads, where Roamio Stream only works for iOS devices (at least, according to the info I could find online). We're mostly Android in my house, so that's a definite bonus.

    So, I'm not looing at Roamio any more for now, and signing off these forums.

    Y'all enjoy, take care, and have a merry Christmas!
     

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