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TiVo Mini setup - Pain in the ass

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by jmpage2, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. Mar 15, 2013 #81 of 291
    atmuscarella

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    I am guessing that most people made that assumption because they already new you couldn't stream from a Series 3 unit to a Premiere. Another one of those areas where I wonder if it is technical or not. In any event it doesn't matter as I doubt TiVo is going to be updating the Series 3 units anymore.
     
  2. Mar 15, 2013 #82 of 291
    slowbiscuit

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    And if that works, disconnect your other 4-tuner so that all you have left is the 2, then reboot the Mini and see if it still works.
     
  3. Mar 15, 2013 #83 of 291
    HarperVision

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    Can you elaborate on that? I also use roomie and have a couple minis on the way.
     
  4. Mar 15, 2013 #84 of 291
    Dan203

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    The S3 units could easily be updated to support streaming. But they'll never do it. That's a Premiere exclusive feature and something TiVo uses to get people to move up to the new platform.
     
  5. Mar 15, 2013 #85 of 291
    jmpage2

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    Exactly, just as the Mini is a carrot to encourage users to upgrade to 4 tuner units.
     
  6. Mar 15, 2013 #86 of 291
    Dan203

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    That was probably a minor part of their thinking, but I really think that the main reason they don't work with 2 tuner units in the live TV thing. If they really wanted to sell more boxes they would have just held it back from retail until the new model TiVos were out later this year (hopefully) and then made it only work with them.
     
  7. Mar 15, 2013 #87 of 291
    jmpage2

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    If that was the case then they would lift the restriction on using Minis with two tuner Premieres as soon as dynamic tuner allocation is available, but they've clearly said they aren't going to do that.
     
  8. Mar 15, 2013 #88 of 291
    Dan203

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    One guy in an interview said that. It's not guaranteed yet.

    And even with dynamic tuner allocation the "experience" is still degraded because if you're watching live TV on the host and the Mini at the same time there are no tuners available for recording.

    I'm betting that even after dynamic tuner allocation hits you'll still only be able to assign 2 tuners for network use on a 4 tuner box. That way between the Minis and local live TV there will still always be one tuner available for recording.
     
  9. Mar 15, 2013 #89 of 291
    jmpage2

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    I think that the current situation is nothing but a holdover until they can get a six unit premiere with newer silicon on store shelves, probably end of this year or early next.
     
  10. Mar 15, 2013 #90 of 291
    Dan203

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    I completely agree. Something new is coming. Which is why I think that if their primary goal was to get people to buy new units then they would have just held the Mini back from retail until the new units were released and then made it do the Mini only supported the new units.

    While selling a few more 4 tuner units is icing on the cake. I really do believe that a fear of diminished user experience and support issues was the primary reason for current 4 tuner requirement.
     
  11. Mar 15, 2013 #91 of 291
    Arcady

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    Yes. The TiVo Mini box says "compatible with any TiVo with four or more tuners" right on the front.

    Four or more? Obviously they will make a box with more than four or they wouldn't write that on the box. (And they could have just written "compatible with Premiere 4 and XL4" if no new boxes were coming soon.)

    A six-tuner box won't get me to buy a Mini. It will get me to move my Elite to the den and add a six-tuner to the living room. And I'll just sell a two-tuner box.
     
  12. Mar 15, 2013 #92 of 291
    jmpage2

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    Printing it on the box doesn't mean much, other than that they don't want to have to re-print boxes sometime later on.... I do though believe we will see a refresh before another 12 months have elapsed.
     
  13. Mar 15, 2013 #93 of 291
    Digital Man

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    I ordered my Mini from Best Buy, so it won't come pre-activated.

    I understand I first need to activate it and add it to my account on the Tivo website, before plugging it in.

    Then above it says I should force my XL4 to "call home" so that it is aware that my Mini has been added to my account.

    My question is how do I make my XL4 "call home"?

    Thanks,
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  14. Mar 15, 2013 #94 of 291
    jmpage2

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    Go into settings-> network and choose "force network connection".
     
  15. Mar 15, 2013 #95 of 291
    todd_j_derr

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    Well, I got my minis today and while I have to admit I scoffed a bit at this thread, now I'm apparently in the same boat. The mini can see both of my XL4s but i can't select either of them (error V70) - after an hour and a half of screwing around on the minis, XL4s, and tivo.com and still no joy. I ordered directly from TiVo so they were already activated. I suspect the XL4 has to complete a call, but it's going unbearably slowly for some reason. Although, it already called in at 1pm so I'd have to imagine the minis were already on my account by then.
     
  16. Mar 15, 2013 #96 of 291
    Dan203

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    Maybe you just need to reboot the XL4
     
  17. Mar 15, 2013 #97 of 291
    todd_j_derr

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    At this point I'm going to leave it overnight but I'll try a reboot in the AM if it's still not working.

    BTW, I saw some speculation it was possible to set up a mini without dedicating a tuner at all, but from the documentation that doesn't seem to be true; I suspect that may be the root of my current issues. I had both my elites set to "no tuners". Since I bought from TiVo the minis were already on my account, and both TiVos did complete a call earlier today. I switched the setting to "1 tuner" on one of them a couple hours ago but it hasn't completed a call since then.
     
  18. Mar 15, 2013 #98 of 291
    aaronwt

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    I set up my second Mini tonight. I did the same thing as my first one. I activated it online and then had all my Premieres make a connection to TiVo. When the Mini booted and I went through the setup I could see my two Elites and my Premiere. Total time was no more than 15 minutes.

    Although this time, after it was setup, I had it connect again to download the update and then rebooted to install the update right away.
     
  19. Mar 16, 2013 #99 of 291
    jmpage2

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    The TiVo does not need to complete a call after activating a tuner. It just needs to phone home to see that the Minis are on the account and vice versa.

    I would recommend trying to rename one of your Elites, then have it re-phone home, then reboot the Minis. That's what finally did the trick for me on my first Mini after things got badly hosed during the activation process.

    You do have the option not to use a tuner. When my first Mini finally activated it simply told me to go to my elite and enable 1 tuner if I wanted access to live TV from the Mini, it would have been perfectly happy if I had not done this.
     
  20. todd_j_derr

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    Thanks - good to hear the tuner isn't the problem. Forcing a call is taking forever (2+ hours and it's at 84%) for some reason. I ran speedtest from that room and got ~25Mbit up and down so it's certainly not a network problem. But, I fear even when it completes it's not going to work since it did a call <12hr ago and the minis were likely on my account before that (I didn't check, but the second mini which is still in the box is listed as active so connecting it is not a prerequisite).
     

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