Sorry I didn't want to read every page on here but I have been a Tivo fan every since the 1st single tuner SD Tivo. I now have 2 and my boyfriend has 1 on my account Series 3 HD Tivo's. Were moving to a condo and our cable company got bought out by Time Warner and I've been having phone and internet problems lately. We thought about going to Dish with the Hopper and Joey but it's a 2 year agreement. I called Tivo and said do you have anything new? I had no idea about this mocha and Tivo Minis.. I know the Premiere has 4 tuners and a bigger HD than we what we have. So you can record 4 shows or 3 and watch one right? And if you watching a recorded show on one of the mini's can you still record 4 shows or 3? Is watching a recorded show on a mini which we would have 2 if we got the premiere does that mean if were both watching a show in another room on the mini it's using 2 tuners and we could only record 2 shows while watching minis? I read the beginning of this thread and was a little confused about that. And Tivo mentioned I would need a mocha for the Premiere and that the mini's have mocha built in but right now you get a free 50 dollar mocha when you buy a premiere. and then he mentioned that POE not sure what that is or does. He told me I forget. So the minis basically you can go to any room and watch a recording or if you pause a recording in one room finish it in another right? To me it sounds like this Hopper and Joey setup from Dish who charges 12.99 fee on the main Hopper which is a 2 TB box and then 6.99 fees on each Joey.. Only difference is were stuck with a 2 year contract and with weather were not sure how often we will lose our signal but they give you the devices. With Tivo we would have to buy the premiere and the minis but I can sell my 3 Tivo's now to cover most of that. One of my Tivo's has a lifetime on it... So everyone likes the Premiere and the mini setup? I am moving in 3 weeks and am just trying to decide which route to go. I haven't been here in a while but thought I would come here and read up on this mini. The streaming box seems cool too..