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TiVo Mini Review Roundup

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by Peter Redmer, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Thanks. I knew "technically" how it works, I just thought since it has it's own ethernet and connection to the internet that it dialed out to TiVo headend itself and collected the info it needed.

    Hey, the cable co's used to, and some may still do, charge for remote control rentals :rolleyes:
     
  2. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    It may get the info from TiVo's servers when it dials in, but the info is still coming from the host TiVo. I don't think anyone knows for sure. It does get software updates and graphics files from TiVo. But I still don't see how a monthly fee is justified. Anyway, the topic of the fees has been beat to death.

    I'm keeping my $6.95/month Premiere for now.
     
  3. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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  4. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    The "fee" has really nothing to do with services provided. The "fee" has to do with TiVo wanting to get a specific dollar amount for the Mini. In this case $250.

    The problem with a $250 price point on the Mini is that it is more expensive then the base price on a 2 tuner TiVo @ $149.

    By adding the service fee they can advertise the Mini @ $99, $50 less then a TiVo. Also, they can advertise it with a lower service fee than a full TiVo $5.99 vs. $14.99 ($150 vs $399 with MSO)

    At the end of the day, they want $250 for the Mini. However you slice it, what ever argument you want to make - that is the price they placed on it. They just gave you different meathods to get there.

    Lets compare the true advertised prices:

    Mini----------- $250
    Premiere------- $600 ($500 MSO)
    Premiere 4----- $750 ($650 MSO)
    Premiere 4XL -- $900 ($800 MSO)

    Looking at it this way, you can see that the Mini is a significant discount over even the least expensive Premier DVR. And a great option for adding anoter access node - especially in a minumal use room, like a bedroom.
     
  5. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    I don't understand how someone can make 849 posts on a TiVo forum, and not know how to spell the word PREMIERE.

    Yes, a Mini costs half as much as a Premiere. But a Premiere has two tuners, does OTA, and has a crappy Netflix app. So there's that. TiVo is pretty much stuck because of their monthly/lifetime service fees. Too late to go back to $999 DVRs with no fees at this point...

    Edited to add: The Premiere is twice as much, but that doesn't help if you don't already have a 4-tuner box. Then you would have to spend a whole lot more to even use a Mini. People are going to see the prices and run away.

    This is from someone who paid $1000 for a Premiere Elite with Lifetime the week it came out.
     
  6. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    Sounds like someone is bitter. The nagging about "premiere" vs "premier" is like watching amateur hour or open mic night. News flash, no one (other than you apparently) cares if someone spells it one way or the other.
     
  7. donnoh

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    I just ordered a mini to replace a 2 tuner Premiere in my bedroom. I use the bedroom TV to fall asleep. 10-20 minutes and I'm done, so the Tivo mini fits my needs perfectly. Yeah, it cost me $250 but it should last indefinitely and I'll sell the never used Premiere for more than the mini costs.
     
  8. Arcady

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    So, are we alllllowwweeed to just maaakeee up new speeeelings for wooooooooords now?

    Or can we use the actual words that things are actually called? The box says "Premiere" on it. It does not say "Premier" anywhere.

    The two words mean different things. A premier is a head of state. A premiere is a newly released film. Which do you think TiVo had in mind when they named the thing?
     
  9. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    It could have been a misprint and they stuck with it afterwards. :)

    Anyway I've been pleased with my tow Minis the last week. I put lifetime service on them on Tuesday and Wednesday(It would only let me do one a day online), so now I'm covered. If a new Mini comes out in a few years I'll sell these for the new ones. And I still have my $6.95 a month Premiere which is OTA only now. Of course I should have put lifetime on it, but that was the only launch Premiere out of the eight I ordered that didn't have lifetime.
     
  10. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    You are correct and if this was a different form you analyses would greatly appreciate, but this form is to give TiVo users information, and on this forum I don't think anybody would think spelling of the TP would be confusing enough to think we a getting a head of state as opposed to a DVR. (get the guest bedroom ready honey, we are getting company from Best Buy when I return with the premier)
     
  11. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    Okay, one more and then I promise I'll stop.

    This is a FORUM, not a FORM.

    :D :) :p
     
  12. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    All that passion because I dropped an e? Sorry if I ruined your day!

    I think my point was clear, and I promise to be more careful not to offend you in the future.

    I purchased the S3 the first Christmas it came out... Full price - $800 before lifetime service! I don't have a P4 either and will wait until the PremierE line has an upgraded chipset before buying it.

    My point is and was - the Mini is half the price of a two tuner PremierE and frankly has half the functionality. If it makes more sense for you to purchase a full unit, then by all means do it. Both options will give you the "whole home experience" TiVo is advertising.

    Both options are expensive, but I do understand the pricing model.
     
  13. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    But a lot of other people don't understand the model for the Mini. Bottom line.
     
  14. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I realize that the service fee is confusing. I suspect, from TiVo's perspective they felt offering a tiered payment option that allows them to offer a lower base price then a 2 tuner Premiere was less confusing.

    It would be hard to describe why a full 2 tuner premiere is $150 and a dumb extender is $250!

    I do not own a Mini and I am not going to buy one until the chipset in the Premiere DVR's are upgraded - but I do understand the pricing model.

    At that point, I will seriously consider dropping say $1000 on a 6 tuner DVR and bundle in two $250 Mini's.
     
  15. magnus

    magnus Tivo User

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    Not really. Whole home is not achieved with 2 Premiere boxes. They can use cooperative scheduling or an integrated now playing list. You have to know which box has the recording and you have to manage scheduling of shows and conflicts between boxes.
     
  16. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    If cooperative scheduling is an important part of your definition of "whole home experience" then of course you are correct.

    If having tuners available at each node, being able to start watching one show in one room and finish watching in another, or the ability to watch copy protected content freely throughout the home is your definition - then any Premiere box meets the need.

    I started a thread a while back criticizing TiVo for advertising a whole home solution without the extender on the market. I meant it in a rather light hearted way - my point was that they kind of jumped the gun with the marketing.

    But during that conversation, several TCF members made very good arguments that any Premiere line TiVo can accomplish the “whole home” experience if you are willing to pay the premium.

    Since my now teenage children watch and record completely different shows then I do, a consolidated NPL isn’t something that really interests me at the moment. However, I have long said that a huge differentiator for TiVo would be pooled dynamic tuners.

    But I am not sure (for me) that the definition of a “whole home” solution fails, because it does not exist. Practical? That is a different conversation.
     
  17. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    Maybe they meant that the premier(e) is the head of all of their technology. The leader in their stack....

    Who cares? There are SO MANY other spelling and grammatical errors on this site that dropping a final e is no more terrible than calling a unit a THD, etc.
     
  18. Arcady

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    apparentlee noebodie kayrz. aisle just maik up meye oawn werdz tue.
     
  19. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Yeah it would be pretty cool if they came out with something similar to the HDHomerun Prime and then you just deployed something like the minis at each TV to access those tuners dynamically! :up:
     
  20. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I'm just discovering the lack of dynamic tuner allocation on the mini. It effectively means the permanent loss of a tuner on the XL4/P4 if you ever want live TV via the mini. Actually, the loss of 1 tuner per mini. This is not really disclosed by Tivo in their marketing, and frankly sales people and tech people at Tivo are incorrectly describing it (I have ticket numbers as proof). I honestly think that this tuner loss is a serious constraint, and will prevent the mini from truly allowing a whole home solution that Tivo so desperately wants and needs to remain competitive.
     

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