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TiVo Mini Review Roundup

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by Peter Redmer, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. Mar 13, 2013 #41 of 319
    compnurd

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    Yeh i dont think it is that easy. Plus tivo is not exactly flush with cash that they could do all of this. I think it is pretty evident they only have several teams working on certain things at a time
     
  2. Mar 13, 2013 #42 of 319
    atmuscarella

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    TiVo is in a business that under spending on development can put them out of business as fast or faster than over spending on development.

    I will buy they have done the math/market research and are only willing to spend development money on things they believe will provide an acceptable level of return on their investment.

    I do not buy they are restricted because of cash shortages, they are fairly flush due to the law suite settlements.
     
  3. Mar 13, 2013 #43 of 319
    compnurd

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    Last i saw they are still losing money every qtr
     
  4. Mar 13, 2013 #44 of 319
    magnus

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    Yep, and there is a reason for it. They seriously put out products that aren't ready. The last several Tivo boxes are proof of that.
     
  5. Mar 13, 2013 #45 of 319
    magnus

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    They must really have you fooled then. Easy enough to flip a few bits of code on what amounts to the same platform. And the apps can be pushed as they become available. If its the Cable co's that are keeping it from happening then its really shame on Tivo here cause these are retail boxes and not to be treated exactly the same as MSO boxes.
     
  6. Mar 13, 2013 #46 of 319
    atmuscarella

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    Yes they were, but losing money and not having money are 2 different things. At the beginning their investors supplied lots of money and then took it on the chin and now they have gotten some fairly large settlements so they still have some cash to work with.
     
  7. Mar 13, 2013 #47 of 319
    jrm01

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    $620 million at the end of January.
     
  8. Mar 13, 2013 #48 of 319
    sbiller

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    FWIW, they will be cash flow positive this year including their extremely high litigation and R&D expense. Once they settle or litigate their latest infringers (TWC and Motorola/Google/Arris), they will be extremely cash flow positive.
     
  9. Mar 13, 2013 #49 of 319
    sbiller

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    NSPhillips

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    Another small error -- he claims you need a Stream to use the iPhone app as a remote control.
     
  11. Mar 14, 2013 #51 of 319
    bdraw

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    Comparing the price of the Mini to that of the Genie client doesn't work at all. DirecTV does not sell the client, the $99 is a lease fee. If you cancel you have to return them or have your credit card charged -- Google and feel the hurt with these people.

    The pricing and the four tuner requirement of the Mini are both an effort by TiVo to be profitable. Some on here might complain it isn't a good value, but others are just happy that TiVo is still in business and releasing new problems that enhance the experience. I wonder how long the Mini will stay at this price. I've always thought it made sense to offer a product at a higher price and then discount it later. Your customers will always welcome a lower price, the same can't be said for raising it.
     
  12. Mar 14, 2013 #52 of 319
    aaronwt

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    How much could they lower it, $20? If lifetime is still going to be $150 a $20 decrease isn't much of an incentive to wait.
     
  13. Mar 14, 2013 #53 of 319
    jmpage2

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    I've seen people wait months or even a year to save a few bucks on an electronics purchase. If you can wait that long you probably don't need it. The use I get out of a piece of gear almost always outweighs the slight "premium" for getting it soon after release.

    I could have saved about $800 on my Plasma if I had waited until they blew them out at the end of the year when I bought it.... but $800 was more than a fair price to pay to enjoy 65" of TV goodness for that 6-8 months.... to me anyway.
     
  14. Mar 17, 2013 #54 of 319
    sbiller

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    slowbiscuit

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    Except that it has no cost basis...
     
  16. Mar 17, 2013 #56 of 319
    sbiller

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    Hmmm... so TiVo has zero recurring cost post the sale of the Mini to the consumer?

    That's a nonsensical statement. OTOH, a valid argument could be that the cost should have been built-into the price or that the price is too high.
     
  17. Mar 17, 2013 #57 of 319
    atmuscarella

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    The price of a Mini is $250 or $99 + $6/mo for as long as someone wants to use it. Why TiVo decided to charge that amount is irrelevant from a consumer point of view. All that matters is if the cost is acceptable or not. That determination is personal so if you think it costs to much then it does and you should not buy one. If someone else doesn't think it costs to much then they should buy one. Simple as that.
     
  18. Mar 18, 2013 #58 of 319
    slowbiscuit

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    I get it, you don't have to keep beating this into the ground. I'll stop if you will - we agree that how it's priced doesn't matter, if you want it you'll buy it. Tivo can play games however it wants.
     
  19. Mar 18, 2013 #59 of 319
    atmuscarella

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    I am kind of locked out of the value discussion when it comes to TiVo's whole home Premiere 4, Mini, & Stream solution as I am OTA only and have an android tablet.

    But please do not think I want to dismiss concerns about price.

    While I do believe that in the end decisions about value are personal and really should not have much to do with what other people conclusions are, I actually believe posts about why a person thinks something is or isn't worth it's asking price are very valuable.

    Regarding what I think about the Mini's price - I think it is over priced & if it did work with my setup I would likely not buy one and stick with multiple DVRs instead, however I see how a person could easily decide it has enough value to justify the price, so TiVo's pricing is likely justified - but only sales will ultimately determine that.
     
  20. Mar 18, 2013 #60 of 319
    slowbiscuit

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    Cost of doing business to support the product? Sure, that's called overhead, or amortized support cost, or whatever you want to call it. Last time I checked I didn't pay Microsoft every month to supply security and functionality improvements for Windows, nor do I pay GM to fix my car under warranty.

    Look I get it, you think it's justified many do not, but we all agree that in the current market they can charge whatever they want and it's up to the consumer to decide. But it's not a competitive market right now.
     

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