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TiVo Mini Review Roundup

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by Peter Redmer, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. Mar 12, 2013 #21 of 319
    magnus

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    Good for Directv. It still does not mean that it has true value.
     
  2. Mar 12, 2013 #22 of 319
    lessd

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    And don't forget some people are paying $7 to $9 per month for each cable card, to add a Mini for $250 and save $7/month, the pay off is three years assuming the Mini has no value in three years and that most likely not true.
     
  3. Mar 12, 2013 #23 of 319
    compnurd

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    What does have true value? i dont think apple tv is worth 100 bucks. but who gives a flying ****

    i dont think 87 octane is a good value either
     
  4. Mar 12, 2013 #24 of 319
    DaveDFW

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    I don't think this is correct. DirecTV provides three Genie Minis with no upfront cost, $49 each for the fourth and beyond. Each Genie Mini requires a $6 per month recurring fee.

    When Tivo gives me three Minis free to complement my XL4, I'll gladly pay $6 per month to use them. :)
     
  5. Mar 12, 2013 #25 of 319
    compnurd

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    That is as a new customer. The genie is 349 and clients are 99
     
  6. Mar 12, 2013 #26 of 319
    DaveDFW

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    An existing DTV customer is eligible for the new-customer Genie Mini pricing with a two-year service agreement. $0 + ($6 * 24 months) = $144

    Buying a Tivo Mini obligates a purchaser to pay for at least one year of service. $99 + ($6 * 12 months) = $171.

    So Tivo's Mini is 20% more expensive for half the service duration.
     
  7. Mar 12, 2013 #27 of 319
    compnurd

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    Ehh still not sold there. I had family try to get it 2 weeks ago on 3 TVs and direct tv cut them no deal except free install
     
  8. Mar 13, 2013 #28 of 319
    HarperVision

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    That's simply not true for existing clients. I AM one and they extend your contract 2 years any time you add a new receiver AND charge you full pop for each unless you manage to swing a deal. Why do you think I'm here looking at TiVo again! :rolleyes: The only reason they gave me a deal on a genie and clients was because I called to cancel DTV to use my MCE with Xbox extenders and they threw in NFL ST and I caved, unfortunately.
     
  9. Mar 13, 2013 #29 of 319
    atmuscarella

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    Value is in the eyes of the beholder, if a Mini isn't worth the $250 it costs to you, then you shouldn't buy one. I do agree it would be better if it worked with Dual Tuner Premieres and also tend to believe the reason it doesn't is more about marketing than a technical issue (but I have no way of knowing for sure). I also question if our Series 3 units really can not stream content or if that is also more about marketing.
     
  10. Mar 13, 2013 #30 of 319
    compnurd

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    Thanks While yes some people can wind up with some discounted hardware... most people pay full price
     
  11. Mar 13, 2013 #31 of 319
    jmpage2

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    I think the point being made is that you are comparing apples to oranges. The boxes that the Mini competes with don't have many of those Roku/ATV features either. Comparing the Mini directly to boxes like Roku doesn't make much sense since those boxes don't yet have any capability to consume live or recorded TV.

    A lot of people simply want a "full tivo" type experience in other rooms of the house but don't want to runt a cable card and spend $500 on a Premiere with lifetime.

    The mini more or less gets those users there for 1/2 the price, uses less power, and does not require a cable card rental or outlet fee.

    Would it do better if it had Netflix? Absolutely, but I doubt it impacts the value proposition for most customers.
     
  12. Mar 13, 2013 #32 of 319
    DaveDFW

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    Okay, fair enough. I'm not a DTV customer, so I only have access to the information they provide. If they don't honor their published terms then that's a problem.
     
  13. Mar 13, 2013 #33 of 319
    magnus

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    Those boxes are made by the cable and satellite companies. So, it's expected that they would not want to give you options that would directly compete with their core business. Tivo on the other hand needs to provide options to survive. This box should make folks want to pony up the asking price for device plus service but it doesn't. It is a far cry from what it needs to be.
     
  14. Mar 13, 2013 #34 of 319
    compnurd

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    But we know there push is to Cable MSO's so you should expect that direction then
     
  15. Mar 13, 2013 #35 of 319
    magnus

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    And yet for retail market..., they are not tied to cable or satellite... So why not create the best product that you can?

    I could understand it if this box was really made for one of the big cable co's but it's not. It's made for retail and Tivo is not tied to a single cable operator. So, it makes no sense for them to not include these features.
     
  16. Mar 13, 2013 #36 of 319
    compnurd

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    This originally was not made for Retail... Dont forget we never saw the Tivo Preview at Retail and Suddenlink got the Mini before Retail.

    I truly believe this product was made for MSO's and adapted for Retail
     
  17. Mar 13, 2013 #37 of 319
    magnus

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    Either way, it is retail and they're not bound to what the cable co's want.
     
  18. Mar 13, 2013 #38 of 319
    jmpage2

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    In another thread someone indicated that they had been told by a member of the TiVo executive team that they were "working on" Netflix... but no ETA.

    Honestly I think that the Mini is always going to lag behind boxes like Roku for access to internet content, but obviously improvements in this area can only help TiVo with sales numbers.
     
  19. Mar 13, 2013 #39 of 319
    compnurd

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    but they are bound to not make two completely different products to not kill there expenses
     
  20. Mar 13, 2013 #40 of 319
    magnus

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    Ok, fair enough. Then they should just have divergent firmwares. That would seem to be an easy enough solution. Flip a few lines of code for non MSO boxes. Problem solved.
     

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