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TiVo Mini Review Roundup

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by Peter Redmer, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    BTW, currently trying to get a new XL4 working. VZ can't get the cablecard to work with HBO and Cinemax. Brand new cablecard. Been down this road before. Spent 3.5 hours this evening trying with them - no success. Had this problem with a Premiere in November. They replaced the card 3 times, hit it several times. Rolled a truck. Nothing worked. Field tech finally called VZ again and got a "good" tech, who seemed to know what they were doing and fixed it within 15 minutes. This time, no luck yet.

    So, don't underestimate the impact of this stuff either. Have a VZ reference number. They "say" they'll call back tomorrow.
     
  2. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    So, I need to upgrade the hard drive to sell it? I was quite clear as to what it was. I made no effort. Guys here made it seem like these "always" sell for $300. Sure doesn't seem to be that way.

    What kind of "detailed" pics would you want to see? The box is there. I've sold a bunch of stuff on eBay (see my feedback) and never have had an issue. Oh well.
     
  3. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    I sold a TiVo HD on ebay for $320 with a dead HDMI port.

    You need pics of the front, top, sides, back, the remote/cables/acessories/box, and everything needs to be clean. People want to examine the item they are about to spend $300 on.

    I'm a power seller on eBay. I do $1000 a month in sales or more on there. Pictures are everything.

    Most people on here upgrade their hard drives, so that may be a factor. Even with a stock 160GB, you should still get $250 for this item if properly presented. But for an investment of $25-50 for a bigger drive, you can easily get $50-100 more.
     
  4. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    I'm not going to upgrade the drive. I'm not spending the time, money and effort to do that just to sell it, and was of the impression that there was easy demand for these things. That was the impression from all kinds of posts. People did not specific that you needed to upgrade the drive to get that money. If that's the case, then the math needs to be modified. Maybe if I have time tomorrow I'll take a few more pics of it in a different location. I truly didn't spend much time or effort - just stuck it in a location where there was a free display to use to prove lifetime service.

    We'll see what happens here. Seems to me that it's probable the my thoughts are being validated. Prices on these things are dropping. If I can't sell it for $250, I'll give it to somebody I know. Also, if I can't sell it for $250, then I think the idea that these things retain resale value that affects the entire "total cost" equation has been put in question. JMHO. Earlier in the post (and other posts) people were quite liberal in putting a $300+ resale tag on any Series 3 with lifetime.

    Also, if "most people on here upgrade their hard drives" then that pretty much disqualifies their particular value proposition. Cracking a unit and swapping drives is simply not a "consumer friendly" process. I realize that the MSO stuff is also smaller drives in many cases, but for example, when they release larger capacity units you can swap for free - and you have not violated the warranty. Before anybody says you can't do that at no cost, yes you can. You can return your equipment at any time worst case. Or order a 2nd DVR. Then, reduce back to one and return the first one. The advantage of no up front investment. There are clear advantages that we should appreciate.

    Right now I'm not appreciating cablecard hell with Verizon.
     
  5. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    You don't need to upgrade the drive. I sold a stock 160GB back in October for $300 plus shipping. If it hadn't been that long ago I could link the auction and prove it to you. If you look at sold listings for Tivo hd lifetime you'll see plenty of 160GB units that have sold in just the past 30 days.

    The difference between your auction and mine though are substantial. I provided a full listing for the item including the actual model number (a quick search during the listing process provides all of these details). I also disconnected the device, wiped it down with a cloth and took GOOD photos of it with the original box and all accessories. I specified in the auction description the accurate condition of the unit and how I would ship it (in the original box, no double boxing, via UPS ground).

    If spending an extra 30 minutes "doing it right" isn't worth it to you for your auction to sell for $50-$100 higher then your time is clearly much more valuable than mine.
     
  6. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    Here's a screenshot of completed listings on ebay right now. The guy with a BROKEN unit got $197. Another guy with a 160GB unit got $261. These do sell.

    This screenshot is not a hand-picked list. It is literally the beginning of the list when I searched for "TiVo HD Lifetime" and clicked on completed auctions.
     

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  7. todd_j_derr

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    1 day and 20 hours is awfully premature to even speculate about this, isn't it?
     
  8. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    True. I often put up items for seven days only to have the first bids in the last 30 seconds of the auction.
     
  9. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I sold a Series 3 (lifetime) at a fixed price of $359 in about two days (free S&H) I have sold a number of them and none have had a hard drive upgrade, but I had the original packing and provided a much used remote, these are for friends and I do clean them up, inside and outside, and use a stock E-Bay picture.
    This is a link to one of my sales on 2/29/2013

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/230926334941?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1587.l2649
     
  10. dpalmi

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    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Whenever I sell a TiVo or other item on eBay, I first look at the previously sold items. I see which ones sold for the most, and then I try to emulate what they did for their auctions. This has typically worked very well for me to maximize the price I get on my auctions.

    So i'll typically double box, use the original packaging, sometimes do free shipping, use multiple pictures, put the item in multiple categories, and have a concise description. And start off with a low first bit price.
     
  12. sbiller

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    PCMag's Joel Santiago posted his review of the TiVo Mini. I attempted to correct the record related to WiFi but his response clearly indicates that jes thinking of this from the perspective of a Roku or ATV. Anyway, I thought I would link the review here to see if anyone else might want to chime in.

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2417166,00.asp
     
  13. jmpage2

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    Consumers don't care or understand why Wi-Fi is a poor choice for accurate, reliable streaming of video. They just perceive Wi-Fi as being "better" because there are "fewer cords".

    In the case of the Mini it is particularly comical because almost every location in the home that has a TV already has a coax connection that can be used to deploy the Mini.
     
  14. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Judging by all the posts about MoCA here, people understand it even less than why WiFi is a bad choice. But when mpeg4 transcoding shows up in the new boxes (hopefully), WiFi might be a good idea again. Then questions will be asked about why the Mini doesn't have it.
     
  15. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely not true!!!!!

    One of the primary places I'd consider a mini is in my shop/garage! AT various times, I spend a good deal of time there, and am considering the mini for that location. Now, I have CAT5E there, but many people would not, and I certainly do not have RG6 there.

    I actually thought the review was pretty accurate. IF you're a Tivo customer, and in particular a heavy Tivo advocate, the mini (outside of the serious defect of the tuner dedication) is really nice. However, I think it's also safe to say that it is not a game changer. Sales seem to prove out this assumption. For current Tivo subscribers who have, or will own, a 4 tuner, the mini is pretty nice. I'm pretty happy with its performance, and for my perspective I'm just unhappy with the lack of dynamic tuner allocation - and with the service fee, whether it be the monthly sub or the $150 lifetime. I think Tivo is simply out in left field with a catchers mitt with that decision.
     
  16. sbiller

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    With that said, transcoding has its own set of issues associated with performance degradation and loss of video quality so I hope the Mini continues to operate with the native stream. I think newer wireless technologies like ac might be the step needed to resolve this issue and confusion once and for all.
     
  17. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    You're right. And if it's being compared to Roku, etc, then clearly MPEG2 also isn't important. Just because the mini "can" doesn't mean that consumers "want".
     
  18. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    You sure like absolutes! :rolleyes:

    Can you clarify your source of the statement that sales estimates seem to prove out that assumption?
     
  19. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    Nope - I don't like absolutes. That's why I've constantly pushed back on the financial models that "prove" TiVo is always the lesser expensive.

    In any case, I have no metric driven source for sales estimates other than what I have gotten as answers when talking to Tivo themselves, Weakknees, and Amazon when I was starting to think about ordering them - as well as watching volume here. It is a subjective opinion, which is why I used the term "seem to".

    The PCMag review was pragmatic, and viewed not from the lens of a Tivo fanatic, but from the general market. It pointed to pros and cons, as seen through a product agnostic perspective. I've read it several times and while the "tone" may be argued, the content seems pretty darned accurate and unbiased.
     
  20. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    Amazon isn't actually selling the Mini (3rd parties only) so that could impact sales at this point. It will be interesting to see if they pick it up. Amazon still doesn't sell the XL4. TiVo clearly soft-launched the product at this point. I expect we could see a bigger marketing push after tivo addresses some of the needed improvements and works through some of the early-adopter installation troubles.
     

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