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Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by jmpage2, Mar 4, 2013.
Well tell that to every major cable/SAT provider also
I think the Stand Alone IP/Internet Streaming devices (Roku etc.) are in allot more trouble than TiVo. This doesn't mean I think TiVo shouldn't be working hard on improving their IP/Internet Streaming features - I certainly do. But the reality is if someone buys a new TV, Blu-ray player, Gaming console, and yes even a TiVo DVR they get IP/Internet Streaming that is good enough for many (most?) people. Give these devices another generation or 2 of updates and there will be zero reason for Stand Alone IP/Streaming devices. I think most of us are going to want/need DVRs for allot longer time period.
I agree. Tivo is missing the mark if they don't think that folks want the mini to also replace or work like a Roku. And for the price tag... It needs to do a heck of a lot more.
Except in a TV they typically charge a premium to have those apps. So the price premium can be $150 to $300 or even more.
It's much cheaper to get a stand alone device. Plus if there is an issue you can easily replace it, unlike if it's in the TV. As far as a BD player, most people still use DVD players. Are these apps also available in DVD players? And the gaming machines use 40 times or more the power than a Roku uses. Plus they are much louder since they have a fan running in them. While the stand alone media players don't typically have a fan.
Totally agree there, but we've all seen how bad most of the Tivo apps are. Hardware limited or not, some of them have some pretty bad UIs, like YouTube. The only one I like is Pandora, and that is a basic app functionality-wise.
Bottom line is don't count on Tivo to deliver anything decent over the net, no matter what hardware it runs on.
Again.... you guys are totally missing the market here... this is not meant to be a Roku/Streaming appliance. This is meant to break into the whole home and compete with Cable companies and Sat Companies
No one is missing the market here - it's a separate, valid question about why it can't be both given the cost and the highly dubious service fee.
TiVo IS the cable company. Their revenues are higher through retail than say partners like RCN or Suddenlink, especially when they launch unsubsidized hardware like the Mini, and that's why they haven't shut us down. But the thing is, if every TiVo also requires a collocated Roku or Apple TV, it's easier for most to just stick with the cable company's non-TiVo DVR.
I just ordered my two Mini's from Bestbuy.
They have them in the warehouse, of course.
Pickup date is Friday the 15th or sooner, he said.
Maybe they will have them available somewhere else sooner, but I went ahead and ordered them anyway.
And again, I think Tivo is missing it here. They could easily sell these things to a lot more folks (me included)... If they treated this as the product that it should be or charged a decent price for what it is.
How were you cable to order them?
it's in the other threads here..
I must have missed it, otherwise I would have tried to order one.
EDIT: I see. that's why people were asking for the SKU. I guess I'll wait until they are in the store. I'm also waiting for the new Sony 3D BD player to show up next week as well. So I'm hoping I can get both at the same time.
My point wasn't that you would buy another device instead of a Roku type device it was that you would already be buying one for other reasons. Case in point I just helped my mother purchase a blu-ray play. I got her a Panasonic DMP-BDT220, it cost less than $100 (actually $80 now) is a CNet top pick has Wi-Fi and has an excellent set of streaming apps that would be more than enough for most people. Plus you can not buy a top tier TV without IP/Internet Streaming. Samsung even allows for Processor module upgrades on some of their TVs now to assure you can upgrade them to work with future stream apps. So for people who do buy new TVs, new blu-ray, new gaming consoles, etc. there is less and less reason to look at stand alone streaming players.
Thanks to cmonroe for posting the SKU and Model number. I didn't have it the other day, or I would have ordered then.
My store gets a truck each Thursday and the rep said call him then.
Yeah, I don't think Roku has a very bright future, even with all the apps that they have, as it's basically impossible not to have 2-3 or more devices all with app platforms before you even get to dedicated devices. AppleTV has a very bright future because of AirPlay, even if the content is available elsewhere- the interface of using an iPad to select content and fling it up on the TV is second to none, and works with a much wider variety of content, including YouTube and Podcasts than other platforms support or support well.
My Samsung TV has something akin to AirPlay. I used it the other day to watch a YouTube video I found on my iPad through my TV. I'm not sure support is quite as universal as AirPlay, since it's not built into the OS, but my point is there are other similar technologies out there and if one takes hold in the Android market it could push the proprietary AirPlay to the side. (people always prefer open standards when available)
I really think that if TiVo puts a fast enough chip in the next gen Premiere, and comes up with a better way to deal with their developer program, they could end up with just as many apps as your typical smart TV. Especially since Samsung also uses Adobe Air and they have apps for pretty much every major service.
Cost for a HD Extender for MVR from my cable company is 11.95 a month.. Which is double the price the mini is a month....
Even with the 99 dollar up front.. it is still cheaper for me to buy a P4 and Minis and pay monthly fee's then my cable companys Multi Room Solution Nevermind buying lifetime.
And unless you are getting new equipment from Direct TV... It is also cheaper then there whole home solution. Both in Main STB(349) cost and STB Extenders(99) (plus 25 dollar a month system fee)
And as i am watching this I am seeing a new Direct TV commercial telling people they only need 1 DVR for there home and you can use genie clients
The thing is that Airplay supports pretty much everything on an iPad, not just certain things built into another system.
TiVo could easily attract developer attention, especially if they came out with a streamer box that doesn't require a TiVo DVR (gateway drug). TiVo has the best UI, and is the only system that's truly 100% user intuitive.
Yep, I'm not arguing that it might be worth it to some folks. I just think it could be more (feature wise) and when you compare it to the Roku and what this box should be then it just does not add up for some folks. For me, it's never going to make sense until it can do a lot more in regards to streaming other content. I'm waiting till it comes down in price and supports 2 tuner Premieres.